Admin’s Note:
Vernon and Barbara were asked to leave The Gnostic Movement by members outside Greece in 2010 for their inappropriate behavior which became apparent at that time. Only after they left did the members outside Greece become aware of the full extent of Vernon’s bad behavior that had occurred long before that, back when he was the sole member in Greece. Some of this behavior is outlined in the testimonial below. Had the members known about his behavior at the time, they would have asked him to leave years earlier. The following is an account from a person who witnessed firsthand much of Vernon’s inappropriate behavior in Greece.
Why did they attack Belsebuub?
Vernon and Barbara attacked Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) for things that they had mostly caused themselves, as I’ll recount, because they wanted to turn people’s attention away from their own mistakes and their inappropriate, negative and “cult” behavior – which was obviously far away from the teachings of Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), which encourage respect for free will and comprehension of other people, love and truth.
The main reason that I present this account is because it seems that they continue to attack and defame Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and our community. So until now we have been in defense, just defending ourselves and responding to their untrue allegations, while saying almost nothing about what they had done when they were in the Gnostic Movement. Now it’s time for me to present my account of what happened. The second reason I present this is because they have deceived many people, even those that are close to them as they don’t know or understand the entire story and facts. The third reason I present this is because I feel that we pay karma not only for our bad actions but also when we keep the truth in darkness and we don’t speak and act when we ought to.
Meeting Vernon in The Gnostic Movement
After I entered the Gnostic Movement in 2005, Vernon and I quickly established contact, as we had something very important in common: we had both been in the Gnostic Movement of Rabolu. Vernon also recounted to me how he discovered that Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) was the true successor of Rabolu and how eager he was about him and how loyal he was to him, and explained that he was in very close contact with him. You can’t imagine how many good things he was saying about Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) all that time when he was in the Gnostic Movement…
At that time I had doubts and I asked him how he knew that Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) was genuine. So he recounted to me an amazing conscious astral experience that he had with Belsebuub with impressive details, that I will not mention here as I respect his experience. But in spite of this he doesn’t recognize Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) as a spiritual teacher now.
The second thing that he told me was how much he had earned internally and in a practical way in the Gnostic Movement with Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), such as having many conscious astral experiences and projections and gaining a deeper comprehension of gnostic teachings, when in the previous Movement he hadn’t succeeded in achieving anything important – especially in the area of Astral travelling in which he had absolutely no success – and had left that Movement for this reason.
But five years later in public he described something totally different in two TV shows in Cyprus and on the Internet. He falsely claimed that in the past he was never close to Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), and he also spoke widely against him, his teachings, and the practices. He claimed the results of students’ practices were only caused by their “illusions” and “brainwashing” by the teachers. Given these contradictions, I wonder when Vernon was telling lies or “brainwashing others? In the present, past or both? Was he lying when he was a Teacher in The Gnostic Movement and he explained to the students (including me) the benefits of the teachings and practices of Belsebuub, and shared his personal practical successes with them? Or later when he was asked to leave The Gnostic Movement and sent defaming emails to many students? Or later again when he was saying contradictory things in that TV show against Belsebuub and The Gnostic Movement? I wonder when he was ever really being truthful. He ought to have a clear answer.
Vernon’s Behavior
In the Easter of 2006 Vernon separated from his then spouse. A few days later Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) came to Greece with Edith Pritchard. After a few weeks many advanced students left, probably because of Vernon’s fanaticism. But privately to us Vernon on two occasions answered questions from other students who had asked why so many advanced students had left. Vernon answered that it was because of Belsebuub, and like that indirectly blamed Mark Pritchard for the students leaving. Vernon’s behavior of throwing the blame for his mistakes on others was something common, even if the other person, at that time, was his beloved teacher.
In June 2006 I attended the official Greek retreat in Anavriti, which was the first retreat I went to. At this retreat (where a student referred to as “Jane” also participated) one day Vernon got us to walk barefoot along a path with thorns for about half an hour in order to “understand how the path is internally”. It was very painful and afterwards we went back to our rooms to remove the thorns from our feet. Certain students had negative reactions. The last day however Vernon requested that we not mention this event in our retreat testimonials which Vernon would upload to the Gnostic Movement’s website. Who is he to call us a “cult” organization now? Much later when I told other Gnostic Movement members outside Greece about this event, they were shocked.
Sometime around July 2006, a few months after separating from his former spouse, Vernon was in a relationship with the student “Jane”. He displayed this relationship so openly amongst other students that he caused some to react in a negative way. One of these students, shortly before they left the center, said to me, “I can’t tolerate the pride and lustfulness of Vernon anymore”. His pride was obvious from then on to the students. I also remember the Gnostic teachings mentioned that when someone separates from their spouse that they should wait one year before they have a new relationship. I tried kindly to explain to him how the students were seeing the whole subject, without ever mentioning to him the real reactions of students and the specific statement of that student I mentioned above. The discussion ended with Vernon stating that it was “obvious” that those students “didn’t” work upon themselves and they “hadn’t” understood the internal work!
In the summer of 2006 two teachers from overseas had come for a vacation in Greece after their wedding, one asked Vernon why he hadn’t succeeded in training a Teacher. He reacted immediately saying Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) had said that it would be fine if all centers were working as that of Athens, but he evaded actually answering the question directly.
A few days before that discussion in 2006 we (including the overseas teachers) had a two day retreat at Mount Taygetos. During the night we ran out of water. We used the last supplies of water to cook our soup. I had one half bottle of water for any need. But Vernon insisted on using it to cook more soup. I said that I had eaten enough but he asked me with so much psychological pressure in front all students that I was forced to give it to him without me willing to give up the last bottle of water in order to eat the soup that was a bit salty anyway. As you can understand, after that I felt thirsty enough and it was difficult to sleep that night. The next morning of course everybody was feeling thirsty, including Vernon. But Vernon “hopefully” drank water from the bottle of Jane. We didn’t want to drink water from Jane’s bottle and Jane didn’t offer to give us any, so we remained thirsty in the morning and then we started the return journey. On the path, on the way down, we found a big half full bottle of water. Vernon has a special pipe that is supposed to allow you to drink dirty water safely through it. In any case the water seemed “clear” and we decided to risk it! But Vernon wanted firstly our guest teachers to move away from us in order not to see us drink that water in front of them and a give a bad impression overseas!
In the autumn of 2006 we had another official Retreat in “Zachorochoria” village. One young student was overweight. So it was obvious that it was really hard, difficult and exhausting for her to climb the mountains. We helped her in order to allow her to continue. She didn’t say anything on the first day. The next day after another few hours walking through the mountain she kindly told Vernon in front of the group something like, “we should respect the abilities of others”. Vernon reacted immediately saying something like, “if we have some difficulties in our lives we must blame only ourselves. Even if someone throws you down from a cliff, you should blame only yourself for this.” I was shocked when I heard that. According to that logic, have Vernon and Barbara only ever really blamed themselves for being asked to leave the Gnostic Movement?
In any case Vernon should know that we don’t have the right to say something like that to anybody unless we only mean it for ourselves. The student that time didn’t say anything, but after the retreat that student was very angry complaining that, “Vernon characterized me in front of others as someone fat”. You can understand how sensitive and disappointing it is for a young woman to feel and think like that. Obviously she stopped attending the courses.
In the autumn of 2006 one student said that the internal work is very difficult and very few accomplish spiritual mastery. Vernon reacted saying that he will become a spiritual master in this life. Unfortunately Vernon had reinforced this idea of mystical pride inside himself very much and this was well known to advanced students. I wonder again who he is to call anyone else a cult?
In the same period of time Vernon had the idea that all of us should do a theatrical presentation at the center, but in the end he did not participate, he simply watched us. The justification for this was that it was for our internal work. There were a lot of reactions from students because the center program was very heavy. Some students even stopped attending the center. The most advanced student also reduced his presence in the center and afterwards stopped attending completely. We had a very heavy program with his idea and we were very exhausted. I had the sense that no one in The Gnostic Movement outside Greece knew what was really happening here.
Vernon’s Opinion of Barbara in 2007
In the Summer of 2007 the official European retreat was held in the UK. After that retreat we still remained in London for a few days. One day around 15 of us went to the theater. It was strange for us to see Vernon and Barbara sitting together while Barabara’s spouse was sitting alone away from her and to the other side of our group. This made a big impression on us. In general Vernon was speaking so positively and enthusiastically about Barbara, that I hadn’t seen him to speak like that about anybody, except of course Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub). I pointed out to him how he spoke with such enthusiasm about Barbara and he justified it by saying that, “Barbara is one of those people who seriously works upon herself”. Some months before he had shared with me that Barbara was his first teacher in the Gnostic Movement and that she inspired him and he felt very lucky because of that.
On the last day in the UK, because Vernon was spending time with Barbara and some other students, the students who were with them were delayed in returning to their hotel. We were a big group with baggage and we were travelling on the underground train system and we had to change trains several times before reaching the airport which was a long way from London. Also one student delayed further and we didn’t know the precise time of departure. The result was the Greeks missed their flight. Vernon wanted to leave us (as there was a seat on another flight for Athens) because he “should” be at his job the next day. But there were reactions from some students, so he was asked to stay.
The next day Vernon insisted we visit a museum with some students for a little while before our flight. I disagreed with this, but he insisted that I was wrong. So I and my spouse didn’t go with them, and we stayed back at the hotel instead. Obviously Vernon and the students did not have enough time and Vernon later called me and told us (me and my wife) to take the baggage of one student when we went to the airport, so that he would not have to return to the hotel, because he was running late and would miss the flight otherwise. But the extra baggage was extremely heavy for us to carry through the London underground train system, and we had to change stations and go up and down many stairs. We only just made our flight. Of course Vernon never apologized for this as he never has done for any of his mistakes in all the years I have known him. This is because a problem with Vernon was that he had the illusion he had the right to put “his” students through “internal” tests by exposing them to difficult situations without real reason. But later he was repeatedly accusing Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and the members of The Gnostic Movement of cult behavior. Who is talking?
Vernon’s Attitude toward Relationships
In August 2007 Vernon organized a retreat in Greece with Greek students, in which I did not participate. At this retreat Vernon only invited one person from outside Greece – a female student from another country. This caused the other students to react, and they asked him intensively about this discrimination toward other students outside Greece and Vernon was unable to give them any good explanation.
The next month, before I left for Cyprus, Vernon and I discussed various things. He asked me if I had seen something “going on” (in a romantic sense) between Jane and another student. I answered “yes”. Then he told me how that student saw that he had come between Vernon and Jane and so had backed away. Vernon seemed satisfied about this (even though he was not with Jane anymore).
Then Vernon told me that he was “interested” in that female student he had invited from another country. The female student probably had also understood that Vernon was interested in her, but he had a problem – where would she sleep? If she was going to stay with Jane (which would have been the natural thing to happen) they likely would have discussed the subject of how Jane was with Vernon before. Therefore he would have a problem with that female student. In order to avoid this, the female student slept at his house and Vernon slept at the center.
But later I learned that female student had a big reaction against Vernon and she stopped attending the courses. She didn’t explain to me the real reason, but she was very hostile towards Vernon. Ι said this to Vernon, but he didn’t give me any explanation and I remained in the dark. Fortunately I managed to change her mind and she returned to the courses. Years later when I asked her why she was so negative against Vernon, she responded that she was angry with Vernon because at that retreat in Greece, he tried to “pass” Jane on to another student.
Vernon had an unfriendly attitude with the couples, whether they were members, teachers or advanced students. We and our spouses had realized this. In one case Vernon encouraged one advanced student to separate with his partner because Vernon considered that his partner did not work internally and wasn’t an advanced enough student. The student understood that all these ideas were false, so he was very angry with Vernon about this.
Vernon’s Approach to Finances and Fundraising
In December of 2007, we organized in the Cyprus center a fundraising event in order to raise some money for the center rent and other expenses. We spent enough money in order to organize it, but “unfortunately” in those days Vernon came to Cyprus to “see” us. The day before the event Vernon told me that I couldn’t organize an event just to fundraise for the expenses of the center and he said he would take all the money for the European retreat project. He asked me to explain this sensitive matter to students and that they should understand this. What could I explain? I told him that this was quite different from what we had decided with the students. I proposed that he should explain it himself to them and he said he would do it. But in the end he didn’t say anything to them and he took from us all the money we raised – about 300-400€. When I later tried to explain this to students I saw their disappointment and probably they felt they were deceived. I felt very uncomfortable. This was Vernon’s style of dealing with money. No wonder he was later asked to leave the organization.
In another incident almost two years later, we had just saved 100€ from a similar fundraising event for the expenses of the center. But also around that time the organization started organizing fundraising events in various centers to cover international expenses. I said to the member that contacted me about this new fundraising project, that even though we had just organized an event to cover the expenses of the Cyprus center, I was willing to give the money for the international purpose. He kindly told me that I couldn’t give the money for another purpose other than what it had been given for. You can imagine the positive surprise I had from that member of the Gnostic Movement and how spontaneously different his approach was from that of Vernon!
In March of 2008 Vernon “found” a bigger center in Αthens with a high rent of 1,400€ per month. He drew big plans for renovations in the center which were very expensive. But just three months before they moved to the new center they renovated a public area in front of the old center shared by tenants in the building. This renovation work tired out the energies of students. I asked him directly why he did this, when they were about to move, and it was a shared space anyway. The answer was something like it just had to be done. To me it seemed as if the students were just toys to him or he felt he had the right to put them through “internal” tests.
Vernon started renovations in April 2008 at the new center. Generally it made a big impression on me, the fact that Vernon began that big work in the same period that the center ran a very demanding program of advanced practices with daily presence in the center. Two students (one 50 years old and unemployed) knew very well how to renovate and they were working from 8am in the morning up to midnight for a month. Vernon also made a student buy curtains with her credit card to the value of 1,700€. He made the same student buy curtains of around the same price for the London centre, 6 months later. All this caused pressure and annoyance and I had the feeling that some students would leave after the renovations of the centre were complete, and indeed this happened. An advanced student (the forthcoming member of Athens) heard the 50-year-old student I mentioned earlier speaking to himself when he was renovating the centre, saying: “I will throw black stone behind me” (a Greek expression meaning he would leave and never return). After the renovations finished he left and he never came back. Later some other students also left. We had the strong general impression that Vernon pressed the students too much. He squeezed them like a lemon in order to do his job and then he threw them out.
In the beginning of Spring 2008, Vernon told me that he thought he should resign from his government job because he earns enough from his company that he created with Les and Jake. I told him that it is not a good idea because he now had large expenses with the center and he couldn’t risk it in the event that the company would not go well in the future. He did not answer. A few months later I understood Vernon’s real reason was something else.
The Development of Barbara and Vernon’s Relationship
As I recall, in the middle of April 2008 Vernon told me that in a group meeting, Barbara had apparently announced her separation from her spouse. Vernon did not explain the reason why. Around a week later Vernon told me that Mark asked him to go to London in order to help the center. Vernon claimed he had the “intuition” that this would happen before Mark asked it. At that time Vernon was the only Teacher in the Athens center and not one of the Teachers there as Barbara has claimed in the past.
1-2 weeks later Vernon began to speak positively about Barbara to me, and he claimed the same was happening from Barbara – that she was seeing him as more than a friend. He was obviously glad about all that.
Around every 5 days he was telling me something new about the relationship developing between him and Barbara, showing more clearly that her interest in him was real. After a few weeks I asked him directly if all this was truly happening or was it a creation of his imagination. He reacted immediately in order to persuade me and he recounted to me in detail how much Barbara was interested in him. So, I knew the relationship between Vernon and Barbara was already happening back then. This was almost three months before Vernon arrived in London, but Barbara claims in her blog that her relationship with Vernon began to be formed after he arrived in London.
In the same period, in May 2008, Vernon, Barbara, her spouse and a few students from Greece took part in an informal retreat in Greece in the mountain Iti. Later Vernon uploaded on Facebook a lot of photographs from that retreat. I was surprised to see pictures of Vernon, Barbara and her spouse together at that Retreat. I didn’t know what to make of it. At that time I supposed that her husband accepted peacefully their separation and he also must have accepted Barbara and Vernon’s relationship in order to remain as friends. The matter was so strange and sensitive that I didn’t even dare to ask Vernon anything about this.
Toward the end of June and the beginning of July 2008, the official retreats in London and then in Greece were held. In the UK, Barbara didn’t have the minimum number of students attending in order to cover the basic expenses. So Vernon, along with another 3-4 Greek students, attended the London Retreat despite the big expenses that had been created in the Athens center from the renovations. At that time the Athens center had to pay Vernon large amounts of money monthly over some months to pay him back for renovation costs which he paid for upfront on his personal credit card. This was on top of the monthly rent of 1,400€.
Vernon’s Behavior at the July 2008 Greek Retreat in Kapitsa
The retreat in Greece followed the next week, in Kapsitsa, with 50 students. There the following happened:
One day Vernon asked all of us to go to the top of a mountain in order to practice the Yoga Asanas at 4am the next morning. It was early morning and still dark but Vernon still did not come. The route through the forest with the minibuses was complex as we did not know the roads, and it was still dark. Finally it proved to be very dangerous because at the end of the route, we were travelling on a very bad narrow road with a big precipice beside us. Afterwards, Vernon justified why he did not come, claiming his throat was aching and he did not want to go to London ill.
In that Retreat we didn’t have a common place to do the sit-down practices. So we held regular meetings in a place under the trees and then we would go and do the practices of astral projection in our chalets. There was a break of about half an hour after each meeting to go and do the practice before the next meeting. The chalet Vernon was staying in was close to the meeting point but the chalets some other students were staying in were about a half hour walk away there and back. So what practice for astral projection could they do? Each time fewer and fewer students returned and Vernon smiled and seemed satisfied about that. I tried to explain to him that the students had hardly any time to go back to their chalets to sit, relax and do the practice but he didn’t give me any real attention.
On one of the last days some students informed me that one Cypriot student wasn’t in a good mood. Actually she was very upset, in a very bad mood and she was crying like a small child. She felt very depressed from the tough and exhausting program at the retreat, telling me, “Why did Vernon do this to us? I came to the retreat with the best feeling but why did he behave like that to us?” I was listening feeling her pain penetrating my heart without being able to give her a good explanation. As you can understand after that retreat she vanished.
Toward the end of the retreat Vernon had personal discussions with the advanced students from the second center in Greece. He told me, and emphasized in an intense way, that some students from that centre should repeat the introductory courses because they didn’t understand anything about the internal work. I felt really bad to hear again this heavy accusation. It was almost frightening to hear him say that about such gentle people. But these students still continue with our group and I love and respect them very much as we now all do practices together and these students inspire us with their comprehension and I feel very grateful for that!
On the last day of the Greek retreat in the Summer of 2008 we had an unpleasant event. The manager of the retreat place asked for more money (2,200€) because he claimed that we ate too much and it was not in the agreement! The proprietor “supposed” that those of us attending the retreat would have just two meals each day instead of the usual three that we had. Vernon refused to let all the students know of this unpleasant situation in order to share the expenses (all together there were 50 of us). He said it would harm the image of the Movement and blamed the error on the Athens center, and therefore the Athens center had to pay the bill despite the high expenses that they had already. I remind you that in the following days Vernon and three students would leave Athens to go to London, so the rest would be left to pay all the expenses of the Athens center. The new teacher in Athens refused to allow the Athens center to cover this cost because the expenses of the center were already high, so he undertook to pay it himself with a personal loan from a bank!
But I didn’t like the idea of only one person having to pay this huge sum all alone. So I offered to help him by asking for help from the Cypriot and certain Greeks students (and we collected one third of the sum). I asked permission from Vernon to do it and indeed he didn’t have a problem, obviously because they wouldn’t spoil the image of the Movement and himself abroad! I wonder where is the cooperation, responsibility and contribution in difficult situations? It is easy to “throw” the blame on others.
Vernon Joins Barbara in London
2-3 days before he was to travel to London, we had a private discussion where we talked about London. Barbara already had found a center in a fairly disreputable region and “everything” was ready. I asked him about Barbara’s spouse, because all of this had made a big impression on me. He said that Barbara had moved her spouse out of the house and in a mocking tone mentioned that he had left for Australia, and he seemed satisfied about this.
While saying farewell to Vernon before leaving on the last day of the same retreat in Kapsitsa, an advanced student privately advised Vernon to be careful not to lose his balance in London (diplomatically warning indirectly about rushing into a relationship with Barbara too soon after her breakup). Vernon later told her husband (another advanced student) that his wife was not doing well!
The same day Vernon flew to London with two students. A third student would follow later. That day he told me he had little money. At that time and in the next weeks, I wondered how he would renovate the new center in London, as he had little money and twice thieves had stolen his wallet with money in it, and he was upset about that! A few months later he told me that the London center cost 6,000€ to renovate. So I asked him where he got the money from, as only 300€ in donations was received from Cyprus, and it was likely the Athens center couldn’t contribute to London expenses. He replied “from donations”. I wonder what happened with the donations for the European Retreat that he was receiving for years? Where is that money now? Isn’t it true that he used an amount of this money in order to renovate the centers of Athens and London?
When Vernon was in London I spoke to him over Skype many times, and I noticed that somewhere nearby in the background Barbara was usually there with him.
In August of 2008 a female student from another country (the one Vernon had previously taken an interest in) went to London. Barbara was “cold” to her and she never invited her to stay at her house, so the student remained in the center, when at that time the center was being renovated. As a result, the student was living and sleeping in the dust and in the mess of the center. Only at certain times was the student allowed to Barbara’s house to take a bath.
Later at the end of November-beginning of December 2008, a letter came from Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) addressed to all the members where he was talking about alchemy and when you can start a new relationship after a separation and divorce. He said those members and students who did not follow this shouldn’t give the teachings. So after that Barbara and Vernon stopped the advanced group program immediately in London.
Vernon Returns to Greece and Cyprus
The next month, January 2009, Vernon announced an informal retreat in Greece, at the mountain Olympus (the mountain of Greek Gods, what amazing adventure!) and sent emails to certain students from various countries.
In the middle of February 2009 Vernon came to Cyprus from Greece. At that time he was in Greece to recover his health, and also in order to be away from Barbara after the clarification was made about needing to have a one year break between relationships. He claimed the one year would have passed by the forthcoming April and they would recommence their relationship then, as he claimed that one year before, in April 2008, Barbara had apparently announced her separation in a group meeting. However Barbara didn’t publicly announce her marriage separation until June 2008, and in any case her ex husband did not move out of her apartment until June either.
Vernon stayed in our house for 10 days at that time. We looked after him very well and he was very thankful for our hospitality. I also went with him to see a doctor twice, because he had a sensitivity to the climate in London that he had already developed during his postgraduate studies in London (before he entered the Movement) and which he knew about. So he had already developed that health problem before he went to the London center and not after he went to London, as he claimed one year later, blaming Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) for it.
In Cyprus he took part in four TV shows of Elita’s about Gnosis as a teacher of the Movement. I suggested to him to put some captions during the show in order to advertise the lectures, as he had done in the past. He did not show any interest. At my own insistence, I put advertisements in two TV shows when I accompanied him to Sigma TV. Ιn the other two TV shows where I did not accompany him, he did not put any. Maybe he didn’t show interest really about the Movement because he was working for his own benefit in the TV shows?
During that time we were also without a center, and we had found a place to rent which caused big reactions amongst some students because the rent was high. Therefore I had doubts. Vernon said to me that I should make out that I believed it the correct choice and that I should not hear what the students had to say. When some months later I spoke to Edith Pritchard regarding the center – and she told me that I should hear what the students want and decide according to their needs and capacity – it made a big impression on me how different this was from Vernon’s approach.
Vernon’s Attitude to other Members
When Vernon was still in Cyprus in my house he told me in an angry way that a few weeks before in Athens, the member of Athens and some students did an all-night practice. A female student saw Vernon in the astral coming into the Athens center as a negative entity. The Member said to the students that they should search for the meaning of this internally. Vernon was annoyed about this and complained that Belsebuub prayed for healing for him, and yet this member had left students with the impression he was a negativity entity. Because I knew the member concerned very well I didn’t support Vernon’s conclusion. I told him that he had a right to voice his concern, but I pointed out that the person he was concerned about was the trusted member in Athens (who is someone I know well and respect). He did not like this and he did not answer.
Later Vernon spoke with the member over Skype, in open hearing where I could hear everything. He accused the member in Athens saying that he did not demonstrate solidarity (brotherhood) between the members when he allowed the comment from the student to pass without reprimanding them.
Only a minute or so later, he spoke with Les on Skype on matters about their company, and they also spoke negatively about the member in Athens and especially Jane, regarding their lack of productivity to their company.
It made a big impression on me the fact that one moment Vernon accused the member for not showing show fraternal solidarity (brotherhood) and the next moment with Les, he was accusing the member who was Les’ Teacher. Obviously Vernon and all of them had mixed the operation of the center with their company and this was bad enough. So Vernon could control Les and Jake with money and employment, but they couldn’t see it.
When he was still in Cyprus, one Saturday evening the three of us (me, my wife and Vernon) sat together in order to listen to the teachings of Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) in a live online talk. It was announced that instead of Belsebuub, Edith would speak. Flamboyantly he stood up, took his laptop, and left the lounge, and went to his room. My wife and I remained to hear Edith. When he came back I asked him why he left. He answered smiling, saying that Edith was not a “Master”. This left us with a very ugly impression. Something was not right. If we followed this strange perspective he had, it would mean no one should listen to any teacher in the Movement except Belsebuub and we shouldn’t even listen to Vernon either as he was not a “Master”. But he did not seem to realize this contradiction.
At that time there was an impression that he was close to becoming a “Spiritual Master” as he had Barbara as a partner now. Sometimes Jake would jokingly in Skype refer to Vernon as a “Master”. Vernon would not respond to the joke and acted seriously.
Vernon and Barbara asked to leave the Gnostic Movement
In April 2009 the retreat in Olympus, Greece took place at which I didn’t attend. Students attended it from various countries around the world. One student who went, told me it was obvious to all students that Vernon and Barbara were a couple. He also said that one day Vernon said to all students the following: “If you see that an ego can help you in the internal work, you can use it as a walking stick and when you have advanced enough, you can eliminate it afterwards.” The student said this made a bad impression on him, because it was totally contradictory to the core esoteric teachings.
The day that retreat finished was Sunday, just before the holy week of Easter in 2009. The same day Vernon and Barbara were to fly back to London where they would live together. The next day was Holy Monday of Easter. He called me in the morning saying that the board of Australia asked him and Barbara to leave, so they had no other choice but to resign from the board in the UK.
He told me that he had arranged to participate in a TV show in Cyprus during the Holy week of Easter, in order speaks about Judas, as a representative of The Gnostic Movement, but after his expulsion he couldn’t participate. But ironically one year later he would be unconsciously playing the role of Judas in the physical level with Barbara to betray and attack Belsebuub, and they have continued doing this for a long time now.
After one month we spoke again and I told him the letter that Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) had sent about alchemy showed the mistakes he and Barbara had made. He told me that it was also written for others. I insisted that finally it was a mistake to be with Barbara so soon after she separated from her husband. But he said Barbara and him were making amends in order to correct the mistakes.
Vernon’s Manipulative Behavior
Another thing he used to do, is he always liked to use the name of Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and ask for various things in his name. He liked to use Mark Pritchard’s name in order to get his way. If any student felt that what Vernon was asking for was too extreme, Vernon liked to ask: “What would you do if Belsebuub would ask the same from you?” Nevertheless, if for various reasons the student didn’t accept to do it, Vernon would not even speak to them in the center for days! I think he knew very well how to manipulate the students. He was the only teacher I ever saw act in this manipulative way. He was asked to leave for his inappropriate behavior, and yet when he was not allowed back to the organization he calls us a cult!
The worst thing is that he manipulated the students very well via the fear of punishment if they didn’t do what he wanted. The punishment for the student would be double. Vernon would send the student back to a lower level but would also tell other students that this meant the person wasn’t working internally enough to understand and accept what Vernon wanted. He was also trying to cultivate a negative competition amongst the students during the practices over who was advanced and who was not. That is completely against the purpose of esoteric teachings. This negative attitude and influence, along with the exhaustive tasks he was giving in the center without respecting the student’s free will at all, had created a negative situation where it was difficult to get a good result from the practices, or for the positive result to last within you if you did succeed to get a good result. In any case, there was hardly any time for practices with all the tasks he was giving.
All this made him negative and not a good teacher like he liked to believe. Sometimes the negative environment and his bad behavior was so obvious that I couldn’t do the practices. I suppose that also happened to many good students who left. So instead of Vernon speaking about the illusions of students in the TV show in Cyprus it would be wiser for him to dissolve his illusions about himself that he has cultivated all this time.
Numerous times I thought about leaving the center but I remained because I didn’t want to leave the valuable teachings of Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub). The other reason is that I didn’t want to deprive the new students from having access to these valuable teachings. So, for this reason I went to Cyprus to be away from Vernon, but, as you understand, his bad, negative and unbalanced influence still continued.
Vernon’s “Cult” Creation in Greece
So after all this and many more other facts and details (I obviously can’t mention all of them) I consider that he had created a “cult” organization in his center. For this reason I feel he has used the term of “cult” so much in order to cover-up his own cult-like behavior and actions that were far away from pure Gnosis, the teachings of Belsebuub and from the love, the truth and the respect for the free will of the students. So, I believe he accused Mark Pritchard and The Gnostic Movement of being a cult organization in order to pass the blame for what he did and distract the attention of students and make them forget his own bad and cult-like behavior. I think he mistakenly thinks that if he deceives other people he can cover-up his bad behavior and mistakes from the people and the Divine. So, for me, it was totally fair that Vernon (and also Barbara) were asked to leave the Gnostic Movement because his actions were outside of the spirit of Belsebuub’s teachings and our Gnostic Movement. We couldn’t continue like that.
Besides, Vernon shouldn’t have any complaint about us; that is, me, the member of Athens and all the advanced students, men and women, of Greece and Cyprus. He had all the support and trust from us, even with his bad, negative and “cult” behavior. But this trust he used in a selfish way that directed him to spread his negative and improper behavior further beyond the borders of Greece and Cyprus and it ended fairly with him being asked to leave by the Members. I am very thankful for this decision by the Members which released us from Vernon’s influence.
Period after Vernon and Barbara Left the Organization
One month later Vernon sent me an email in which he asked me to remove him from the Board of Cyprus. Around the same time he had also asked the member of Athens to remove him from the Board of Greece. But one year later he forgot about that and “seized” the center of Athens in order to, I believe, satisfy his hurt pride and ego.
Later in the summer of 2009 he sent an email to the members of Europe and the advanced students of Athens, asking us if we wanted to buy metallic pentagrams from him at a good price for ourselves and the students of other centers. All members refused his proposition. He probably thought that he was still in the Movement.
In the summer of 2009 I learnt more from others about Vernon’s past behavior in the Athens center that was not very good. One time while another teacher was giving a lecture, Vernon sat at the back of the room and spoke disruptively throughout the lecture. So the teacher asked him to be quiet. This made Vernon angry and later he said to the teacher’s husband that his spouse wasn’t going well. On a second occasion during a sit-down practice, Vernon stood up disruptively and began gathering his blankets before they finished the practice, creating a bad impression for students.
In this period of time in Cyprus there were rumors coming from a few ex-students that Vernon was a very “advanced” person, as he had Barbara as a partner and it was thought he was passing the 4th big Initiation where the Master denies the student. I didn’t know how these ex-students learnt about them being asked to leave. All that period we had very clear instructions not to say anything to anyone about Vernon and Barbara being asked to leave, except to the most advanced students, and we acted accordingly. So we respected their honor at all times, according the instructions, and we didn’t say anything negative about them to anybody. For a long time after they left my students were asking me about Vernon and I was answering to them that Vernon was very well, as if he was still in the Movement. I was telling lies in order to protect their honor hoping that one day they would return back to the Gnostic Movement, even though I didn’t really wish it, as I knew that Vernon hadn’t really changed his behavior. So it is totally unfair and false that later Vernon and Barbara claimed that we wanted to humiliate them.
In December 2009 I sent Vernon a letter in order to get his signature of resignation from membership and the Board of the Gnostic Movement of Cyprus. But he delayed too much in sending it to me. This made me worry that he was probably preparing something bad.
One of the following days I saw him on skype and I asked him why he delayed sending the letter. He told me that he can’t cover for my mistakes anymore before Belsebuub (Mark Pritchard).
Vernon and Barbara’s Smear Campaign Begins
After a few months they started the attacks. In May of 2010, they sent mass emails with accusations about Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and The Gnostic Movement. Vernon had secret contact with a few students from the Cyprus center. So probably like that he learnt the email accounts of the rest of the students or even ex-students, who also received all their defaming emails attacking Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) the Gnostic Movement and me personally as a member of the Movement. As usual, Vernon wanted to be the “center” of the world again. Many students, even advanced ones, stopped attending the courses. This created a very difficult situation, especially as I had to leave Cyprus permanently. I also felt that an advanced student who continued in the courses (who I used to consider a friend who I thought I could trust) was still in secret contact with Vernon. That student was talking negatively against, or spreading “doubts” about, Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and the Movement, to other students but I couldn’t prove it for a few weeks. I was feeling the betrayal behind my back from that student and also Vernon as I was seeing that they wanted to destroy everything – the courses the survival of the center etc – after so many attempts in a very religiously sensitive Christian Orthodox country. All this made many of us sad. But this was their choice however and we did everything we could to help the students.
During this same period they “seized” the center of Athens. In the end we left the center to them – not because we feared what they might do, but because we didn’t want any contact with them and “their” centers, as they now claimed the center as their own. We also hoped giving up the centers this way would be enough for them. But it wasn’t…
Also, Jake tried to frighten me saying that if I didn’t do what they wanted and accept their negative ideas and accusations about Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) then they would create problems in my job and other areas of my life…
A few days later Les called my father and said negative things about me, such accusing me of committing fraud with legal matters and claiming I am in a bad organization, etc. Les tried to arrange an appointment with my Father to “explain” his accusations about me further. My Father did not accept. This situation created a lot of anxiety for my parents who worried about what happened with Vernon and others and what else they might do.
Vilification on Cyprus TV Show
That same month (May 2010) Vernon participated in a TV show via a live phone call, and he accused Mark Pritchard and the Gnostic Movement of various untrue things, without informing us or giving us the ability to defend ourselves. So he exploited the friendly relationship he had with the journalist who hosted a live daily TV show, to use her show as a platform to broadcast many untrue things and his illusions about Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and the Gnostic Movement (the TV host referred to Vernon as a friend who she loved and admired very much on the program). I only heard about this show from a student who was watching the program when it aired, and happened to see what was being said. She phoned me up and told me to watch the show, and when I saw what was happening on the TV show I was shocked because we (those of us in the Movement) were labeled “insane” by Vernon and he also agreed that we brainwashed people, and the TV host claimed we were “a bit crazy” and that Vernon had discovered “monsters” within our organization. She also made up a false allegation, without any evidence, that a Gnostic Movement student (referring indirectly to Barbara) was “abused sexually” by Mark Pritchard (probably based on false allegations Vernon had told her about previously). But that allegation is completely false and Barbara wasn’t even living in the same country as Mark Pritchard! (Anyway, Barbara actually alleges she was propositioned over the phone. Vernon was aware of that but made no effort to clarify the point.) All these things were said and we had no opportunity to respond or any way to defend ourselves.
After six months they organized a second TV show with the same journalist hosting it. When I tried to speak to the journalist beforehand, she told me that she didn’t want to be informed further about the case so that she could remain neutral when she hosted the show – even though she had already heard so much from Vernon in the first TV show. When I pointed this out to her, she refused to accept it, telling me that nothing bad happened for us in that previous TV show, as Vernon was only present through a phone call (remember on the previous show she herself said about the “monsters”, and made up a false allegation that a woman [Barbara] was “abused sexually”, in our organization – even though Barbara actually alleges she was propositioned over the phone – and Vernon made no effort to clarify the point). She continued telling me that she wanted to be fair to both me and Vernon and claimed she hadn’t had any contact with Vernon either. That claim was totally false, as was proved later with defaming videos used against us on the TV show which were prepared and edited by the TV station well in advance (with content the host openly said had been brought by Vernon) as well as by the overall approach used in the entire presentation, which included promoting Vernon and Barbara’s smear campaign website with a caption while the show aired. The host even said she had read testimonies Vernon supplied before the show, and another guest openly said the TV host had told her to read information on the internet attacking The Gnostic Movement and Mark Pritchard before the show. So it was completely biased. And yet the journalist would not let me talk to her beforehand to give my side of the story because she claimed she did not want to be biased!
I appeared on this TV show as a representative of The Gnostic Movement. I was the only person there defending it, as the other panelists (which included Vernon) were negative towards us. In that TV show here is what happened:
Before the TV show Les, in front the journalist who hosted the show, indirectly tried to frighten me by claiming that if they wanted to, they could create problems for me at my job.
A video clip used on the show presented us as a sinister “cult” organization, by taking an unrelated cult video from the Internet (about groups which murder and commit suicide etc) and mixing this with video footage showing our peaceful activities at retreats, and playing scary dramatic music.
The journalist said during the TV show that she had studied a huge amount of information that Vernon had submitted to her in advance. And furthermore, before this TV show Vernon had already read our own testimonials (when he was talking with the TV host in her office before the show) which we had sent to the channel to have our side of the story heard. But the TV host refused to read these on the show, but nevertheless played the video testimonials from Vernon’s side. But I was not given the same opportunity to see their testimonials before the show.
During the TV show Vernon had the facility of his laptop in front of him having all his “testimonials” and probably with Internet access in order to have contact and receive messages from his followers.
They also invited a Christian theologian to be a panelist on the show. During the program itself she openly said she had only recently read the hate sites of Vernon and Barbara before the show and that the TV host had directed her to read such information on the internet beforehand. Just before the show began, this theologian told me herself that religious Christian groups already knew about this TV show and had asked her to go on it in order to destroy us. So on the Cyprus show, she repeatedly accused us of being a “heresy” in a Christian orthodox country very sensitive with religious matters, even after I kept trying to tell her that we are not a “heresy”.
Throughout the live broadcast the TV station continually presented textual captions at the bottom of the screen, presenting Belsebuub as a demon and the Gnostic Movement as something totally negative, cultivating a very negative perspective on us. I only realized this later when I watched a recording of the show, as during the broadcast the TV screen in the studio wasn’t close enough for me to be able to read the captions as the show was being filmed. So I was unable to ask them to not put these negatives captions when I was speaking on the show. I wasn’t experienced enough in TV shows to have even considered what they might do with the captions.
They falsely accused us by claiming that we have our own separate weddings (marriage ceremonies done outside those of the orthodox church – which is taboo in Cyprus). And yet, when the orthodox Christians have such intolerance towards wedding ceremonies in other religions that they consider it taboo, they still claimed we are the ones against other religions.
With the way we were presented, it isn’t surprising that viewers who phoned into the TV show, whose calls were put live on air, were negative toward us – including accusing us of being forerunners of the antichrist and claiming that we want to destroy the Cypriot society and their children.
The way they presented us so negatively was extremely dangerous for me and all the practitioners of the Gnostic Movement in Cyprus, given the intense orthodox Christian views in that country. Actually, both the TV host and Vernon had faced opposition from the Church in Cyprus in the past for taking part in shows dealing with Gnostic topics and discussing Belsebuub’s teachings (this was before Vernon turned against Belsebuub), so they knew very well the danger. In the past the Church had also discussed excommunicating the TV host before and had also issued a threat that they would “eliminate” her from the media if she continued showcasing views contrary to the Church’s teachings. Not only that, but a religious fanatic had threatened the TV host’s life before, saying she was under the control of Satan (referring to Mr Pritchard) and so she had to report this threat to the police. Given the hostile atmosphere in Cyprus, the TV host had warned me and Vernon in a phone call in the past that we needed to be careful and that we might be in danger. After that Vernon mentioned this danger to me personally and asked me not to mention this to anyone.
Vernon and the journalist hosting the show were also aware that, in the past, a death threat had been made toward to me in Cyprus, by a religiously fanatical man (a man who himself mentioned that he was in close contact with a Church Priest in charge of dealing with “heresies”). This man suggested the heads should be “cut off” all people like us. He made this threatening comment to me when I tried to open the new centre in Cyprus in his neighbourhood.
With the level of hatred we had faced in the past, the TV host and Vernon knew very well the hatred this show would incite toward us in the public, and how it could possibly put us in danger, but they still did the show anyway.
After the TV show they questioned me in emails, asking why I defended Mark Pritchard and the Gnostic Movement and many other things, and they asked if I did this because of my internal work. Who are they to speak about internal work? They like to speak with the terms of internal work and gnosis. But what would they know about Gnosis and all these amazing things if they hadn’t known, met, studied and practiced the teachings of Belsebuub? Absolutely nothing! So it’s ridiculous for them to speak with these Gnostic terms – as they also do in a hypocritical way on their hate sites and social networking pages – especially considering all the horrible things they have done in their smear campaign.
As you can understand, to remember and write all this was an unpleasant situation, so I postponed doing it for weeks. Actually, I was too afraid to do it for a long time, because of their intimidating scare tactics and the threats they made toward me about my job and family. But I couldn’t be silent anymore, when I ought to speak. I could have remained silent while “doing my internal work”, doing my practices, being calm working on my Egos etc. But is it an internal work to not reveal the truth, or leave others to defend the Truth in which I believe and consider valuable and precious?
Conclusion
When I finished writing this account, for the first time, I had a dream about me and Vernon. We didn’t have any conflict and finally he was leaving me in peace without disturbing me anymore in my efforts to spread these valuable Teachings of Belsebuub to people who need them. I wish this to happen in the future. I wish him also to find what he is searching for in his new business interests and hope he, Barbara and their followers leave our community in peace.
Perhaps some things I have written will annoy them. Of course, I haven’t got any problem with removing the entire article, but under one condition: they must stop now their smear campaign against Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and us, right now and into the future. They must shut down all the relevant websites, articles, and comments and never in the future upload or say something against our community. I am sure that if they did that, then from our side we would be willing to do the same.
A final message from me to them… Samael Aun Weor has said the following two interesting and important things. The first is: “If you see that all the doors are closed, you should knock on the door of true repentance which remains always opened.” The second is: “In the Heavens there is more joy when a bad person repents than one thousand good people”.
Finally I would like to thank Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) for his valuable teachings and Edith Pritchard and our community for their support and trust because now, after all these negative and “cult” situations that me and my spouse endured, in this new amazing positive environment free of Vernon’s influence, we can learn something totally different and new, like we had always hoped to do, and work internally via the spirit of comprehension and with love and care for others, searching for the pure spirituality, truth and light.
Read the firsthand 
I was shocked to learn that Vernon made you and others walk barefoot over thorns! That is totally wrong and creepy, even sadistic in my opinion. Just one of many terrible examples in your truly eye-opening account. Thank you very much for taking the time to put down in detail the terrible ordeals you have been through, and what you witnessed. Your courage is inspiring and your account is very important I think.
Yes thorns is unfathomable. I wonder, what is the mentality that would drive someone to go through guiding an activity in this way? I have recently discovered that on one of the last retreats in Greece, advanced students of Vernon’s were told to go through cow manure, up to their knees, as a spiritual exercise guided by Vernon.
It is interesting how on many occasions, people from Greece have sighed to me, and said ”oh what the ‘Foreigners’ didn’t know…” It seems more and more superficial sides of the leaders of the smear campaign falls apart and reveals what was really going on by those who have done so much to harm this community.
“I have recently discovered that on one of the last retreats in Greece, advanced students of Vernon’s were told to go through cow manure, up to their knees, as a spiritual exercise guided by Vernon.”
– this is just so wrong and disgusting and not at all what Mark Pritchard/Belsebuub and The Gnostic Movement was about. And yet Vernon goes on a public TV show in Cyprus to call us a cult? It is just bewildering how someone interested in spirituality could behave this way.
Whoah. That’s intense!
So sad to hear that those are the conditions under which the people in Greece had to learn about the spiritual work. Honestly, I’m surprised anyone stayed at all. I’m glad that there are those that were able to see beyond the ridiculous and abusive manner of teaching exposed here, and were able to perceive and focus on the core values of the spiritual teachings themselves. Hats off to you for your endurance.
That really stinks!
Seriously, I can’t believe all this stuff that was kept from everyone. It’s really clear now how this whole thing was concocted with one of the main underlying goals to hide their own misdoings and justify them, which under normal circumstances, would be put in the past and forgiven. It’s totally unnecessary what they’ve done and continue to do. At least there is an opportunity to put it behind them by removing their campaign. I hope they do the right thing.
Walking on thorns? Wading through cow manure?
These do not sound like activities that a rational person would lead their students to do — it sounds insane.
This looks to me like the blinding effects of fantacism. I hope no one was seriously harmed (physically or psychologically) by these drastic actions that are totally in conflict with Gnostic teachings.
Sadly, from the accounts of all the people who left, it seems a lot of damage has been done.
“Yes thorns is unfathomable. I wonder, what is the mentality that would drive someone to go through guiding an activity in this way? I have recently discovered that on one of the last retreats in Greece, advanced students of Vernon’s were told to go through cow manure, up to their knees, as a spiritual exercise guided by Vernon.”
Accounts of shocking behaviour just keep pouring in, now it’s cow manure! I wonder what else has been hidden?
It’s time Barbara stops this fiasco and removes her site. It’s gone on much to long and it’s time to leave us in peace.
Wow. I can’t believe that. Making students walk through thorns and cow manure…
That isn’t exactly my (or anyone’s?) idea of a spiritual exercise…
It’s very unfortunate that the students were given the impression that those activities were in any way, shape or form related to the teachings. So not even close!
This is very disturbing. If these people were asked to walk on thorns and wade through kneed deep cow manure by Vernon, who knows what other crazy situations they were asked to take part of in the name of ‘spirituality. There could be loads of other stuff that we just haven’t heard about because nobody wants to talk about it.
It’s really disheartening that the teachings were represented to people in this way. Of course, there is always symbolism and all that when you deal with esoteric things, but to make students go through this kind of stuff physically defies common sense, which should always be first and foremost when you’re trying to help others to learn about spirituality. These situations and actions from Vernon sound waaay out there…not reasonable or balanced at all.
Walking through manure…!!!
Forgive me, but I just don’t know how to comment on such a thing.
Olga, please if you talk to any of the people that went through this, give them all our love and support. We can’t imagine going through walking on thorns, or wading through cow manure…
And Cameron and I certainly can’t imagine making someone do that or even come up with that idea!?!
It just sounds more like fanaticism as well as enjoying the control one has over people, and making people do what you want like puppets, in a some type of really disturbed way.
Dara, like you said this is wayyyyy out there and simply wrong. I’m just really sad for the people that went through this and thought this was what the teachings were about. Again my heart goes out to you..
Thank you for providing such a detailed account of what happened. This really clarifies everything. If the way Vernon and Barbara are going about their attack wasn’t enough of an indication, this really casts light on their character and motives. I’m really impressed that after all they’ve done that you are so willing to forgive, even after they’ve put you in physical danger. I hope as you that we can practice in peace.
Julian
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this and thank you for your steadfastness and courage, it really is admirable.
This insightful rendition helps to expose the details of what can only be described as mythomania on the part of Vernon.
Thank you for helping to reveal the truth in this detailed article. I am shocked at how bad Vernon’s behaviour was especially when supposedly being a teacher of spirituality. Not that I can claim to be a saint but a lot of things he has done and said just go totally against what is right for anyone let alone a “teacher”. So much hypocrisy, disrespect, deception and lack of basic compassion. He does not seem to have been a good example at all of the real teachings or the real Movement.
I am so sorry for all those people who have been put off the teachings because of him and the way he ran things. It seems until he left, you really only had The Vernon Movement in Greece, not The Gnostic Movement.
I am grateful and inspired however that you have persisted and endured these hardships to continue to practice and help spread these teachings and to speak the truth to help defend Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and the teachings and those that wish to practice them.
That Cyprus show was just so wrong also, so heavily biased, untruthful and unfair, let alone dangerous for you and the students.
So much reprehensible behaviour from Vernon, if it was more widely known at the time amongst other Gnostic Movement members I’m sure he would have been asked to leave years earlier as you suggest.
I wonder if in some weird way Vernon and Barbara still want to be a part of the Movement but because they weren’t allowed back in and driven by their hurt pride to cover up their mistakes their only possible involvement is to attack it.
Vernon and Barbara, we all make mistakes. I have no wish for there to be the need to point out yours publicly but so long as your untruthful hate site remains then the public deserve the opportunity to hear the true story here.
Thank you for clarifying a lot of things, it must have been very difficult under these conditions. I admire your courage for continuing with something you really believe to be true. I hope more people can experience these teachings for themselves rather than listening to other people’s opinions. I am surprised that there still exists in these times people who want to cause danger to others because they don’t follow the same beliefs.
I noticed that on the MOG hate site Barbara has made recent attempts to refute information provided by witnesses about the development of her relationship with Vernon. Ever since she began the smear campaign after her attempts to return to TGM were rejected, she has tried to blame Mark Pritchard for her marriage breakup, telling a story where her relationship with her ex-husband fell apart largely due to Mark’s influence and Vernon had nothing to do with it… as she claims her relationship with Vernon began months later after Vernon moved to the UK.
But according to this account by Witness R, Vernon was telling Witness R that a relationship (seeing each other as more than friends) was developing between Vernon and Barbara back in April or May 2008, before Vernon had moved to the UK. In this account, Witness R was even sceptical a relationship like that was developing between the two at that time, and it was Vernon who was trying to persuade Witness R that it was.
So there is a big contradiction here to Barbara’s account. Could it be that Vernon was lying back then when he made those claims to Witness R, or is Barbara not telling the full story now?
According to another account by Witness E, Vernon apparently had a picture from Barbara’s wedding to her former husband at the centrepiece of his living room before he had met her himself. And according to this account by Witness R, Vernon used to openly speak exceptionally highly about Barbara to others, as early as 2007.
To me, this account by Witness R on when the relationship developed seems plausible. It appears to corroborate with other accounts (such as the one by Witness H), by people who saw them behaving openly as a couple earlier than Barbara claims. Another member said he openly saw them in a relationship at the July 2008 retreat in the UK, months before Barbara claims their relationship began: http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/false-allegations-about-belsebuub-and-the-gnostic-movement-rebuffed/relationships/#comment-1010
I really wish we did not have to discuss these things, but unfortunately Barbara chose to put her relationship at the forefront of the public smear campaign that began with her mass email in May 2010, in which she made those allegations about Belsebuub. I think there is a need to scrutinise these matters she chose to publicize, upon which she bases her allegations.
Below is an important extract from Witness R’s account. (I was a member during this period of time, and I personally don’t know anything about the group meeting in April 2008 referred to below or if it ever happened or not. I personally did not learn that Barbara had separated from her former husband until early June when she sent an email to all the members announcing the separation):
As I recall, in the middle of April 2008 Vernon told me that in a group meeting, Barbara had apparently announced her separation from her spouse. Vernon did not explain the reason why. Around a week later Vernon told me that Mark asked him to go to London in order to help the center. Vernon claimed he had the “intuition” that this would happen before Mark asked it. At that time Vernon was the only Teacher in the Athens center and not one of the Teachers there as Barbara has claimed in the past.
1-2 weeks later Vernon began to speak positively about Barbara to me, and he claimed the same was happening from Barbara – that she was seeing him as more than a friend. He was obviously glad about all that.
Around every 5 days he was telling me something new about the relationship developing between him and Barbara, showing more clearly that her interest in him was real. After a few weeks I asked him directly if all this was truly happening or was it a creation of his imagination. He reacted immediately in order to persuade me and he recounted to me in detail how much Barbara was interested in him. So, I knew the relationship between Vernon and Barbara was already happening back then. This was almost three months before Vernon arrived in London, but Barbara claims in her blog that her relationship with Vernon began to be formed after he arrived in London.
In the same period, in May 2008, Vernon, Barbara, her spouse and a few students from Greece took part in an informal retreat in Greece in the mountain Iti. Later Vernon uploaded on Facebook a lot of photographs from that retreat. I was surprised to see pictures of Vernon, Barbara and her spouse together at that Retreat. I didn’t know what to make of it. At that time I supposed that her husband accepted peacefully their separation and he also must have accepted Barbara and Vernon’s relationship in order to remain as friends. The matter was so strange and sensitive that I didn’t even dare to ask Vernon anything about this.
Thanks for joining all those points from various witness accounts together Matthew, it really does highlight what is behind the unjust smear campaign. Barbara’s account of events just simply does not match at all with what has actually happened. These witness accounts completely blow apart the central point of her untruthful smear campaign against Mark, the contradictions in her story are exposed now for all to see. Its a horrible business having to dig into these details of people’s private lives but Barbara’s & Vernon’s untruthful smear campaign is what has brought it all into public view.
But to me, even without previously knowing all these details, the way she tells the story just did not add up. If she is so happy to be with Vernon, the apparent love of her life, why is she so bitter about the previous relationship breaking up and looking to blame someone else? Also, knowing first hand the good characters of Mark and Edith and also knowing about the teachings of gnosis, it just never made sense that they would be meddling in someones marriage like that. And the facts presented in these witness accounts only go to prove all of this.
Well said Matthew and thank you for underlining and emphasizing two important facts from this big account.
I can also confirm the account by Witness E, that Vernon apparently had a picture from Barbara’s wedding to her former husband at the centrepiece of his living room.
The story doesn’t add up.
If Barbara needs to justify her actions to the world at large, it certainly would indicate a serious amount of guilt and shame that needs to be covered. It seems very sad and cowardly not to be able to admit to oneself that they are fully responsible for their own decisions and actions.
One can only assume Barbara made all this public so that she can point the finger at someone else, and in addition use such concoction to justify to the ex the rejection, wrong doing and embarrassment she caused him by not loving him enough.
If Barbara has now found happiness, as she states, then surely she would not have publicly written all about her intimate private life on the web for everyone to see. Surely that would have been the last thing to occupy her life?
It gets to the point of needlessly crying ‘wolf’. Liars are not rewarded: even if they tell the truth, no one believes them.
Matthew, thank you for raising these important points.
The version of events that Barbara is presenting in her recent posts just does not seem credible to me in light of the many first-hand witness accounts on this site.
It’s worthwhile emphasizing that Barbara’s personal relationships would generally not be anyone’s business nor do I personally judge any of the actions she has taken with respect to relationships.
However, since she has used these relationships as a way of attacking Belzebuub and his teachings, I feel it is necessary to discuss them in order to establish and defend the truth.
CLAIMS ABOUT LACK OF LOVE
Barbara has stated it is hateful that individuals have quoted her as saying she lacked love for her husband and that of course she loved her husband.
However, Witness H claims that Barbara told her directly that she lacked love for her husband:
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/witness-accounts/smear-campaigners-misuse-of-money-in-the-gnostic-movement-and-a-corroboration-of-their-relationship-blame/
Was she lying to Witness H when she claimed she left her husband due to a lack of love? Or is she lying now?
It is certainly relevant to discuss this in light of Barabra’s accusations — not because she needs to justify her emotions (she doesn’t) but since her motives for leaving her first husband have shifted and evolved over time with every re-telling.
In Barbara’s comments about her first marriage, she takes great care to paint a suggestive picture of a couple that was forced together by The Gnostic Movement even when they hadn’t been together for a long time. Also she takes care to say that it was the stress and workload of being a volunteer (and the tasks that Mark asked her to do) that took it’s toll on her relationship.
She seems to be establishing a narrative for why her marriage would not work out and to lay the blame for this on The Gnostic Movement and Mark Pritchard. However, this argument is full of holes.
Even within her article, it is clear that her 11 hour work day took up the bulk of her time. Could she not have attempted to change this if her marriage was suffering as a result?
Also it has become clear from written evidence that Barbara was continually encouraged to shift her workload to accommodate her availability (http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/false-allegations-about-belsebuub-and-the-gnostic-movement-rebuffed/volunteering/).
What drove her to work so much if she truly felt her marriage was threatened as a result? Did she not have the option to change this scenario if she wished to?
Her attempts to blame The Gnostic Movement and Belzebuub for weakening the initial foundations of her marriage just don’t make sense.
Any responsible person could have taken steps to correct the situation if they felt it was necessary, and Barbara was clearly capable of doing so. Instead she cries “brainwashed” as usual to explain any behaviours or actions that she would like to be absolved from.
CAUSE OF MARRIAGE BREAK-UP
Barbara quotes an email she sent to Mark Pritchard as evidence of his supposed involvement in the breakup of her first marriage.
However, it is interesting this email was sent in December of 2008, more than half a year after she had already separated from her first husband and well after behavioural issues had begun to emerge that would later lead to her and Vernon being asked to leave.
It has been documented in several instances how Barbara has sent emails in order to lay traps or try to establish proof for something. But a sent email indicates nothing — Barbara could have written anything she wanted in it. It no more proves the truth than anything she is currently writing.
ACCUSATIONS RELATED TO VERNON
Barbara attempts to diminish and dismiss the various witness accounts that suggest her public relationship with Vernon began very soon after her relationship with her first husband ended.
Her sarcasm and dismissive attitude seems to me very unconvincing when compared to the various testimonials on this site.
For example, Witness R whom Matthew has quoted above notes Vernon began speaking of a relationship with Barbara in April 2008 — many months before Barbara claims the relationship was actually established.
Did those conversations never happen? Was this witness making them up? How could they have taken place if Barbara truly had no feelings for Vernon at that time?
On this point, I would like to add a small anecdote from own experience:
In July of 2007 I attended a retreat with Vernon, Barbara, and her husband. Barbara and her husband were kind enough to have me at their house for dinner before the retreat and treated me with a lot of kindness, which I truly appreciate.
However, I do remember sensing intuitively even at that time that Barbara’s marriage was not going well. I observed that, while her husband seemed to display great caring and affection towards her, she displayed a certain remoteness towards him (at the time, I attributed this to her being distracted by running the retreat).
I also sensed at times an unusual “vibe” between her and Vernon, which I disregarded as a figment of my imagination.
I never mentioned these perceptions to anyone and in and of itself these things do not prove anything, but it is interesting to note these perceptions and experiences in light of what later happened.
CONCLUSION
So again to reiterate: in and of itself, Barbara’s relationship with Vernon is their own business. I am happy if they are finding happiness together, and truly wish nothing but happiness for them, all of this business aside.
However, for her to continue to suggest Mark Pritchard/Belzebuub had a hand in the breakup of her first marriage is simply not credible in any way.
How could she begin a new relationship so quickly if she in fact loved her first husband and was only torn apart from him by Mark Pritchard’s influence?
If she was so “brainwashed” as to leave a relationship simply on Mark Pritchard’s say-so and against her own true desires, why was she so firm in not beginning a relationship with him, if he supposedly asked her to? Would that not have been equally “disobedient”?
It seems like Barbara is conveniently invoking the “I was brainwashed” and “he messed with my mind” excuses to justify her behaviour when it is convenient and then suddenly developing a mind of her own when it comes to other events.
This tangled series of explanations is simply not psychologically plausible.
I find it much more plausible to believe that Barbara gradually fell out of love with her first husband and in love with Vernon, eventually leaving him to be with Vernon — this is the narrative that emerges for me when reading the accounts on this site.
Barbara’s bullet-point list of “refutations” smacks of desperation and someone treading water quite quickly to blur the actual facts.
Again, I really regret the need to even discuss these things. However, Barbara only has herself to blame and I feel no pity for her “laying herself bare,” since she decided to use her relationships as a public weapon against Mark in the first place.
Thanks for posting this summary, Justin. What you describe here makes a lot of sense. Seeing the timeline of events exposes, in a clear way, the holes in the relationship scenario she used in order to try to defame Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub).
“Again, I really regret the need to even discuss these things. However, Barbara only has herself to blame and I feel no pity for her “laying herself bare,” since she decided to use her relationships as a public weapon against Mark in the first place.”
I agree, and I am sure that no one here really cares about her personal relationships. However, as you stated, she did use her relationships as a public weapon, and so it is necessary to examine those claims.
As mentioned above, it was Barbara/Nallig who used her relationship as a public weapon to falsely accuse Belsebuub, and so it’s necessary to examine those claims.
I’ve also noticed that Barbara/Nallig continues to make false accusations without addressing the many witness accounts which clearly expose the many holes in her stories.
The comment below was recently posted by Odysseas and is directed at Barbara.
It’s another very good example of the many holes in her stories and clearly undermines her many twisted lies about her relationship:
“Barbara, you said: “If anyone is to take your word seriously, you should really give the full story.” and I agree with this.
But have you mentioned in your smear campaign against Mark H Pritchard and all of us the full story with your relationship with you and your husband?
Have you mentioned that you and Vernon were in relationship before Vernon come in London and before you announced to members of “The Gnostic Movement that you and your ex-husband you aren’t “together”?
Do you remember that you Vernon and your ex-husband with some others students went for a “retreat” in a Greek mountain when you and Vernon were already in relationship?
I remember that time I shocked to see your photos with three of you on facebook.
Am I saying something wrong, a lie? Please answer…
If you wonder who shared to me all these…, please ask your husband (Vernon). He has the answers…
So according this, I wonder why you accused so much Mark H Pritchard and us. Probably, because of the fear of revealing your mistakes (these and many others), you and Vernon wanted to hide these big and unacceptable mistakes from us and your followers. So you attracted our attention in order we not have time and energy to present the real facts.
The ridiculous is that you and Vernon accused Mark H Pritchard and us for things that you have already done yourselves. Am I right?”
“It seems like Barbara is conveniently invoking the “I was brainwashed” and “he messed with my mind” excuses to justify her behaviour when it is convenient and then suddenly developing a mind of her own when it comes to other events.
This tangled series of explanations is simply not psychologically plausible.”
That’s a really good point, Justin. To me, brainwashing theories are rather bogus, more than anything else (like theses: http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/false-allegations-about-belsebuub-and-the-gnostic-movement-rebuffed/mind-control/), because I believe in free will, and that each person has a choice. That may not always be the right one, and there can be pressure to conform, like in peer groups. Even with interaction with peers within the Gnostic Movement, however, I’ve always felt a different approach from teachers and members, a very respectful distance and appreciation for me figuring out things in my own way, at my own pace and comfort level. I’ve heard Belzebuub stress, repeatedly, “it’s up to you”, always making it clear that this is a personal choice and decision.
But yeah, you put your point really well, it’s pretty suspicious, especially with the overflowing evidence that other things were at play in her relationship, such as that presented in this witness account.
Very good points Matt. Once again it seems Barbara’s wounded pride will not stop at anything to cover up her own infatuation and unseemly conduct.
I’d also point out that I was not aware of a great deal of such material until it has been made public. Contrary to Barbara and Vernon’s paranoia I have not been interested in their private affairs and quite frankly am still not. It is unfortunate we have been dragged into this rubbish, but if Barbara wants a public soap drama, then we have no choice.
I also have no interest in discussing their relationship, and would not be now if it were not for their ongoing smear campaign. I don’t know why they think we were all gossiping about them. I wasn’t, and as far as the group I attended was concerned, these events could have been happening on the other side of the moon — most people just had no idea about it. Actually most people wouldn’t have even known who they were, let alone that they had been asked to leave.
From what I can tell, it’s as if they have an inflated view of their importance… as if we had nothing better to do than gossip about them. As I recall, after their negative influence was gone, there was something like a collective sigh of relief, and we just got on with practicing and sharing the teachings in a supportive and friendly environment. It was good times, with positive developments like new videos and websites etc. The Movement flourished without them.
Sadly, they sought to destroy it all. Their bid to return was held back until they demonstrated with deeds their ability to be part of a spiritual group without undermining it with negativity. And we all know what happened then…
Thank you for sharing all of this. Though unfortunate to have to see, with all the events and claims made by the hate campaign, it is indeed necessary to clarify what you’ve been through.
I was glad to hear you and your group were able to persist, stay together, and keep going with your spiritual practice though. Wishing you all the best to keep going…
Thank you for your witness account, this is very shocking information. I’ve found your account to be very helpful.
I also wanted to let you know that you have the full support of my wife and I, and that we’ll always stand up for justice.
It’s been very important to publicly let everyone know of the very dangerous situation in Cyprus, due to Vernon’s irresponsible actions.
Clearly you were ambushed by the TV host and Vernon, and sadly they had no concern for your safety, especially since they had prior knowledge of the death threats.
Sadly, today this danger continues due to this TV show and their hateful site.
I’ve found this information to be very serious and not to be taken lightly. And I really hope that Vernon and Barbara come to their senses, and consider the safety of all the students of Cyprus.
Yes, good point Matthew. I’d heard different accounts that Barbara and Vernon had established a relationship very shortly after Barbara’s breakup, but as you’ve mentioned, witness R’s account shows that their relationship (according to Vernon), had actually began in April months before their break up. To me witness R’s account paints a clear picture of what really took place leading up to this relationship.
Obviously, Mark and Edith had nothing to do with Barbara’s breakup. Having worked closely with both of them for many years, I’ve always found them to be very proper and these accusations are absurd and nothing but a cover up.
Well put Witness R ;
“A final message from me to them… Samael Aun Weor has said the following two interesting and important things. The first is: “If you see that all the doors are closed, you should knock on the door of true repentance which remains always opened.” The second is: “In the Heavens there is more joy when a bad person repents than one thousand good people”.
Great quotes John,
I think reflecting inwardly in this way, and exploring this repentence in our hearts is one of the most uplifting and invigorating experiences one can have in a lifetime.
Thanks so much for putting your side of the story across as it helps to clarify this horrible drama that has affected so many people’s lives and spiritual pursuits and interests.
We wish you all the strength and hope that the spiritual work can become strong in Greece, Cyprus and throughout the world.
Thank you so much for your detailed account of events at the time. As Julian put it “If the way Vernon and Barbara are going about their attack wasn’t enough of an indication, this really casts light on their character and motives.” It explains so many things.
It is truly admirable that you continue to be part of this wider community searching for the light of the consciousness with the help of Belsebuub’s teachings. You have been very courageous throughout all this time. I truly wish that you and members of your community can continue to practice these teachings freely and you continue to grow and thrive and become another source of light for people searching in your part of the world.
Gosh, I am completely horrified by the the terrible inflictions upon you and others in Athens and Cyprus by Vernon. Like a cunning fox he used the wonderful spiritual teachings for his own personal gain and to the demise and detriment of others.
I was very sad to also read how many people had left the teachings because of such torturous behaviour imposed upon them. I know what you mean about those heavily demanding schedules. I once asked Vernon what practices they were doing at the Athens centre that he was running and it was so ridiculously intensive I wondered how anyone could get through the day. I personally thought it was not just unrealistic but unrelentingly strict. I wish now I had questioned it with Vernon, instead of being misled by the image he tried to give everyone. Your account has really opened the door to understanding the ‘real Vernon’.
Thank you so much for enduring all that you, your wife and others that are still practicing have over these years. Your account is a testimony to the strength, understanding and compassion that one can gain from practicing Belsebuub’s profound spiritual teachings.
Vernon, if you read this account, take stock and responsibility of the harm, pain and suffering you have caused so many people and start to walk the line of truth. It is more frightening to stay as you are then it is to forgo this life of lies you lead.
This is truly horrible to read about.
I cannot imagine what it was like for you and others in Greece to try to pursue spirituality in that negative atmosphere Vernon had created.
The sheer hypocrisy of his actions leaves me speechless. Causing so much harm to people in an organisation, And then later accuse the organisation of something only he himself did.
Only one or two of these actions you wrote about would already show his real character.
Thanks Witness R, your up-close account sheds a lot of light on things.
I wish you and everyone in Greece to fully recover from all this and hope you can now properly practice these wonderful teachings.
I am appalled at the actions of Vernon and his cronies and cannot believe or understand what kind of person would do such horrendous things to others. This testimony reveals the real tragedy and hardship faced by those whose lives Vernon wreaked havoc upon before he was thankfully asked to leave TGM.
Treating female students with disrespect, interfering between couples; forcing people to walk on a path of thorns for their “inner work”; deliberately putting people in difficult and dangerous situations in order to “test” them; overworking people to the point of exhaustion to complete tasks that would make him look good; subjecting people to severe sleep deprivation against their will; abusing his friendly relationship with a media personality in order to defame and persecute an entire worldwide community of spiritual seekers and their teacher and endangering the lives of several people along the way; telling a student that if they were thrown off a cliff, it would be their own fault; trying to hide the truth from others to make himself look good and support the image he had built for himself; psychologically pressuring people to do what he wanted them to do against their will; blaming others for his own mistakes; taking money that others had raised without permission and without giving any explanation; pressuring people to purchase expensive items for his centre on their credit cards; forcing people to repay him for expenses he had incurred for the centre of his own doing; making students travel a dangerous road along a mountain and cliff in the dark to do a practice, while he kept sleeping; taking donations raised for one purpose and using them for another; gossiping about and criticising other teachers with students; distorting the spiritual teachings and giving his own take on them to students; manipulating students using the fear of punishment to get his way; undermining and interfering with sessions that other teachers were giving; taking control of the centre after he was asked to leave and seizing all its assets; showing callous disregard for the safety and wellbeing of others; making personal threats to people; and the list just goes on and on.
I really hope that Vernon, Barbara, and their followers who are answerable for such reprehensible actions can take responsibility for what they have done, instead of constantly trying to cover it up and divert the issue back to their false allegations in the hope that what they have really done goes unnoticed.
Thank you so much for your testimony Witness R, I am so grateful that you have taken the time to explain to us what really happened and help shed light on the truth. Vernon and Barbara are accountable for their actions and will have to face up to them, no matter how much they try to hide behind slander and gossip. It seems like the day has come where they can no longer hide.
Sabah, when I read this list, I could see why people would be afraid of joining spiritual groups and why the cult word exists. Its because of the actions of people like Vernon that these fears and cult claims exist. What an irony! Here is he is trying to hang the noose of ‘cult’ around all our necks when it was he that was acting illegally, immorally and dangerously with the lives of others. Vernon wanted to be that guru and did it at the cost of many people, but who has he fooled in the end? Only himself.
I do not wish to discuss these things at all, but what choice do any of us have? No one here wanted to discuss these matters of the past, we asked and begged them to remove their hate site for years now, but to no avail, instead we were hit with even greater hate attacks and more lies. I hope that one day Barbara and Vernon can seek the door of true repentence, and be at peace with themselves and others.
Hi Layla, yes I know what you mean, when you look at all the things that Vernon has done, it’s like they used their own behaviour as the basis for their allegations, because whatever they falsely accused Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) of doing, Vernon has actually done!
I too wish I didn’t need to discuss any of this, because it’s not nice to have to bear witness to the awful truth, but what else can be done when faced with such malicious lies?
Thank you for your testimony Witness R. I believe it sheds light to the true character of Vernon but also Barbara. I really think that now that all this has been clarified everyone will have a perspective of what actually happened and who Vernon actually was.
I agree totally that it was him and his actions that had the characteristics of a cult and not the genuine Gnostic Movement.
I have also personally witnessed some of the events you have mentioned and can validate that what you are saying is completely true.
You mentioned the retreat in Mountain Olympus. This was the last retreat that he guided before he was expelled. It was a dangerous retreat since we walked in snow sometimes so deep that our whole legs would sink in it. We walked through dangerous spots like very steep cliffs that could have ended with serious or even fatal accidents.
On this retreat I also heard him saying all these things you mentioned about using an ego as a walking stick. As an example to that he also mentioned that he used pride to have many astral experiences when he started with these teachings. That was quite weird to hear a teacher praising egos in this way and a contradiction in so many ways.
And on the other retreat in Kapsitsa I can affirm the truth of all that you mentioned. Vernon was acting like a know-all guru, sitting above everyone giving us teachings and boosting himself. He made us play competitive games in a basketball courtyard where he would be sitting in a chair with crossed arms, watching everyone from a distance. The entire vibe was so competitive as though we needed to prove who would be in more awareness. It was quite awkward. When an older lady complained that she didn’t want to play any more Vernon got intimidated.
Also that morning going for the yoga asanas in that same retreat was quite dangerous as you mentioned. I still wonder how we didn’t have any accidents back then.
I also experienced the same ‘squeeze like a lemon’ pressure that you mentioned and I have the same impression that he was using people to boost himself.
In my opinion, he was very proud of being a teacher and he thought that because of that, he had the right to use people for his benefit and put them through spiritual tests. From what I saw, no one was allowed to question his authority or his decisions or point out his mistakes.
I know a few cases where he invaded in relationships by either directly or indirectly telling people that their spouse was not suitable for them since they were not serious with the work. Coincidentally, one of their strongest accusations which is that of an invasion in a relationship was actually something that characterized Vernon so much. Furthermore almost all of his associates especially the ones close to him either separated from their partners or invaded in others’ relationships.
As you mention in your testimony, I also wonder if it was Vernon who was the one that invaded directly or indirectly in Barbara’s relationship with her former spouse and not Mark.
Thank you Witness R for bringing these events to the forefront, revealing Vernon for what he is. I sincerely hope these attacks come to an end.
Thank you for your post Witness R & Fortruth for your reply, you have outlined these events in great detail revealing the true background of Vernon and his misrepresentation of Gnosis.
I was also there in Mount Olympus where Vernon put a group of nearly 40 participants in physical danger with ‘’so-called – inspiring-talks’’ how going through difficulties is part of the spiritual work, and that the mountain was an allegory of the spiritual path. Taking a particular step at a very high stage of the mountain I remember how briefly terrifying it was, and if I slipped, that was it. I remember many accounts where he would go out presenting difficulties and suggesting they are related to the work. Doesn’t anyone remember the famous retreat in the snowy mountains of Greece? There was a very popular blog posted about that I remember being very amazed by the scenery. But again is this just the external setup to woo the foreigners? A participant from this retreat was telling me that, at some point, they were only a few feet away from snowy edges which were just standing on the air, not knowing where the actual precipice of the mountain begins. Others have told me that during a snow storm where they camped on the top of the mountain, where one participant did not have the right tent gear (no poles to hold the tent up), Vernon could be heard laughing to the humour of it all, when in fact it was a very critical and threatening circumstance.
It does seem like Vernon’s fantasy portrayal of the spiritual work and extremist cult-like behaviour was pushing people away from him and from the teachings, and now in order to distract attention from all of his mistakes, he and Barbara falsely accuse others for what they in fact are guilty of, and for much worse than they could fabricate upon others. It seems Vernon’s ideas of the spiritual work have been so farfetched, and his illusions of grandeur lead him to a dead end, which is why it may be hard for him to come to terms with his own errors.
I also recall Vernon mentioning how pride was useful for him to get astral experiences, but after using it so much, I am not so sure how useful it became for him, and whether it swallowed him bitterly.
I can also attest that many times Vernon would boost himself when talking to his students and after a while it became very peculiar that when you would go to him to ask him for advice about a mystical practice or ego, he would answer by sharing his achievements. I remember it was actually hard for him to avoid doing this, or offer practical advice. I remember asking him about fear and he told me this elaborated experience where he went in the middle of the woods where he would provoke a fearful situation after being so far in, lying on the ground, in order to overcome his fear, in which he claims he did. Not my idea of working on ourselves through everyday life. I don’t think there was a time actually when Vernon would not make a point to mention his experiences. I was having a talk with him once about the subject, after he started sharing his experiences, or after he mentioned something on the lines of how he has many experiences, and I shared with him that I could not really relate to the work in this way at this point in my life, about having many astral experiences and that this was what the work was about, that although it sounded like him and others have many astral experiences, I felt that my personal approach at the time was through getting insights in daily life which really left me inspired and connected with the work. I was so surprised at his expression, thinking that he would comment or expand on what I was saying, but instead it really seemed as though he frowned and looked quite angry and couldn’t respond. I was left quite confused actually and our discussion was over.
It’s clear to me how distorted his perception of the teachings were and how because of it he was not ultimately able to live a healthy or happy life or allow one for those around him. Both in the past and present. How important is it to have an honest approach, admitting mistakes vs boosting our character onto others. It’s been a great lesson over all seeing how much deception and distortion can come out from pride and wanting to be better than others. It’s definitely not an ego to let pass lightly as it can come back with a vengeance.
I do wish for the opportunity that Vernon, Barbara and all take the chance to look back and make a new step in their life without the need to cover up their mistakes by blaming others. Vernon and Barbara please take down your site, and we will gladly take down our defence and all this mess could be over.
“I do wish for the opportunity that Vernon, Barbara and all take the chance to look back and make a new step in their life without the need to cover up their mistakes by blaming others. Vernon and Barbara please take down your site, and we will gladly take down our defence and all this mess could be over”
Agreed… Barbara has expressed how good life is ‘on the other side’ and I am sure it would be even better if all of us didn’t have to speak about her or anyone’s personal lives on the internet in this way.
I can’t imagine how life can be good on the ‘other side’ if a person is still constantly caught up in what they claim to be “free” of.
This may have been the hardest account to read for me personally.. I am simply horrified by what Vernon made you all endure, and I was so very sad to see how it affected so many people and that they left because of that.
These teachings are about inner peace, about freedom, about respecting other people’s will, about developing love, compassion & empathy for others. They are not about manipulating people, about putting them through tests! What a complete distortion and a complete misunderstanding of these teachings… At least, you and others were not fooled, but how horrible it must have been to endure. I can only give you my support, love and strength and hope that now you are able to fully practice in peace..
Yet you have been placed in mortal danger by Vernon’s actions and the hate site and you have had to move out of a country… Do people realize how far the consequences of Vernon’s actions have had on this spiritual community? If they had not yet, after reading your account they will for sure. Because the danger is still so clearly present for the people who practice these teachings in Cyprus..
There are so many examples in this story that shows why Vernon was asked to leave The Gnostic Movement.. Putting someone down in front others, judging others and telling people about it as if it you were the Law.. Making people walk on thorns!?! For what purpose? In my opinion, it clearly shows the controlling & manipulative traits that Vernon had and why he was asked to leave the movement.. I also find it quite sadistic and fanatical to tell you the truth.. because this is so wrong on so many levels..
And it is clearly NOT in line with these teachings..
How sad that he distorted these teachings so much that he never understood how they truly worked. I can only hope that he realizes now how twisted his understanding was and that he comes to senses, back to reality, back to seeing things for what they are. Stop his non-sense, stop his hatred, and stop his support of the hate site, and simply takes it down..
But you and the the others with you have truly inspired me with your courage, and your faith in these teachings, how you were able to see the love and the benefits in them, and were able to see past the behavior & actions of Vernon and see that they were not the representations of what spirituality, these teachings are about.
” As you mention in your testimony, I also wonder if it was Vernon who was the one that invaded directly or indirectly in Barbara’s relationship with her former spouse and not Mark. ”
Exactly!
Your testimony sheds a great light on how Vernon really was. As I did not get to experience many of the events leading to expulsion of B and V from TGM. It was very shocking and absurd to read their testimonies as they contradicted every principle of teachings of Belsebuub(Mark Pritchard). And from being taught by both Edith and Mark on several occasions it seemed totally preposterous. Now as these accounts come to light as well as remembering my past experiences with Vernon I can see his true nature.
It is totally unheard of that someone from TGM would misuse money especially donations. And having to help run a centre and being a treasurer for TGM Canada, I can personally testify that no money was ever used other than for the purpose it was intended for.
I also have very difficult time wrapping my head around an idea that because of your position you can use and manipulate others for whatever reason. The basis of these teachings is that one has to get his own personal experience of things and than act based on that. Having a pleasure of helping open up a new centre and working hard on renovating it I can testify that no one would ever was forced to work and everyone was more than happy to invest time and money in order to be able to spread these amazing teachings. No one would ever be asked to do anything that they did not want to do.
But here you see an account of V who was a member at that time. Time and time again telling people what to do, misusing money and even making people incur debt in order to feed his own pride. This really contradicts the teachings themselves and no person who tries to practice real spirituality would ever do that. I know for a fact that if any of these facts were to come to light in the past he would have been expelled long time ago.
I hope that these testimonials will cause B and V and all of their associates to realize their mistakes and stop these attacks. We only wish to practise these teachings in peace and wish that all those filled with so much hatred towards these teachings and those who practise them, will find love and happiness in their lives. And will move on to better things.
Witness R, thank you for raising your voice after all the years of harmful behaviour and distortion of the teachings yourself and many others have faced under Vernon.
I am shocked, and deeply saddened by hearing what you and others have had to face in Greece and Cyprus, and what caused many to leave because of Vernon’s mythomania.
As you said ‘’Vernon and Barbara attacked Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) for things that they had mostly caused themselves, as I’ll recount, because they wanted to turn people’s attention away from their own mistakes and their inappropriate, negative and “cult” behavior – which was obviously far away from the teachings of Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), which encourage respect for free will and comprehension of other people, love and truth.’’
I feel this truly sums up the entire attack, and your exhaustive effort to bring back your memories have collapsed the entire morbid operation of the MOGs. In fact it feels as though all this time we had been in the dark, bringing light wherever we could in great and small ways, as though handling a threatening creature we couldn’t all see too clearly, that would make these awful noises and scratch at us when we tried to stop it. But it was as though you have really pinned the nail on the head, revealing the true nature of Vernon and the history that brought him to what he came to be. It is as though now you have switched on this light to see this creature of the dark, broken, dishonest and in all its deceptive costumes, corrupt all along.
I am truly in awe of the bravery you and others have maintained in Greece and Cyprus, and with my whole heart I give you all my support and love to carry on helping each other and all the Greeks and Cypriots longing for the light.
All of you in Greece and Cyprus are a true inspiration to me. Everything you have gone through, under the twisted distortions of Vernon and his associates you have broken through an incredible thing and persevered in such a massive way, amid all these terrible circumstances.
Wishing you love, peace, guidance, tranquillity and to always be united.
Those quotes by Samael are very powerful and extremely relevant.
Wow. Like everyone else has expressed I feel such a range of sadness and empathy for those students and teachers who underwent this kind of treatment by the very people who were supposed to be helping others learn and experience spirituality and gain valuable self knowledge and experiences.
I can’t imagine if I had come to a session to learn about myself only to be by what you describe, abused mentally, emotionally and even physically (thorns?? Overworking etc) by the teacher whom I put my trust in for guidance and help.
That IS NOT the teachings of Belsebuub, it’s not and never has been what we do as a community and I feel the people coming to those sessions and retreats deserved better.
Barbara, Vernon, can you not think back to when you first attended a course, what led you to want to try the practices, and then eventually teach? You must remember what it was actually about. About finding peace, happiness, connection to the Divine. Belsebuub is a big part of it since he has so much experience but all that aside, do you not remember how it is actually about the individual journey to awakening/enlightenment etc?
How can you forget that it was you yourselves that put in efforts to reach the experiences and level of responsibility you did, and unfortunately it was you yourselves that made mistakes to bring all of it crashing down. Not us, not Belsebuub.
It isn’t easy to admit we’ve made mistakes, especially when they are huge. It is easier to blame others and feel justified so we don’t have to live with the pain and that horrible cringe that comes when you’ve realized that you’ve done wrong. But I would rather face the pain and admit I’ve done wrong and seek a solution than to hide away my misery underneath lies and hurting others. I really hope you can help put an end to this so everyone involved can heal and find peace instead of this constant unnecessary war.
Whoa. This account and testimony from others reveals so much. It is absolutely shocking all that had transpired and all that you guys experienced and endured. The rest of the centers, teachers, members, etc, had no idea any of this was taking place. If this was known, I’m sure that Vernon would have been stopped and asked to leave long before he was asked to.
So much has been revealed through these witness accounts. The true story of what actually happened is coming forth from everyone’s accounts and experiences, which is so important. It is so crazy and so apparent that all of the terrible things they have accused Belsebuub and The Gnostic Movement of, they had actually done themselves! With seeing this emerge through all different the accounts and experiences, I am left shaking my head in almost disbelief and disgust of the dark, twisted extent of Barbara and Vernon’s actions and campaign.
Thank you to everyone in this post that has shared their accounts and experiences. Like others have said, no one wants to talk about all of this personal stuff. Your accounts have shed even more light on the truth of what was going on and that is so important.
To Barbara and Vernon, you claim that you have moved on with your lives, or that you want to move on, that you’ve found freedom, etc. You accuse us of being full of hate when we are only trying to defend ourselves and give our side of the story to all of the lies and hate you have spread about Belsebuub, The Gnostic Movement, and those who wish to practice these teachings. If you truly want to be free and move on, then take down your hate site and truly end this and we will take down ours and we can all go on with our lives pursuing what we wish.
As someone who visited the Athens centre some years ago, stayed with Vernon, met the folks in the Athens centre at the time, and went on a mini-retreat with the group there at Vernon’s invitation, I can testify that many of the things shared here are sadly true. At the time, given Vernon’s status in the organization, I tried to excuse some of the things I witnessed. I can see now that there was no reason for me to excuse things and feel uncomfortable on behalf of Vernon, and reading this account helped me to understand many of the things I observed at the time.
Though his hospitality was very kind, there were things on my visit that made me feel uncomfortable too. For instance there was something nagging for me about the lighthearted way he glossed over our concerns about coming, which ended up causing many difficulties. We nonetheless made do and I have no regrets about the trip.
As Vernon was showing me around the centre he coordinated, I recall being very impressed with how nicely it was done. I was surprised to hear that they ventured on a new task of building a larger and more luxurious centre afterwards, as the one they had seemed to have worked nicely. I had no idea that all along all of these things mentioned by the witness above and others were going on during the construction of these luxury centres.
I found it strange that so soon after hearing of his break-up with his former wife he seemed to be in a relationship with one of the students at the centre (“Jane”). This was not something that was stated to me, but something I just perceived in the way that they were acting around each other and speaking of one another. I wondered when they’ll announce their relationship publicly, but that announcement never came.
As another witness mentioned, I noticed that there was a picture of Barbara in his living room. At the time I assumed he and Barbara must have been close friends, and assumed that picture was there as a result. Though I heard she emailed her wedding photos to some online friends to have a look at, it was strange to find out through reading these witness accounts here that him and Barbara never even met each other at that point, so why did he have that picture of her printed out and up?
I recall the time mentioned above when I asked Vernon why there weren’t more teachers in Greece. This was during a conversation where he was enthusiastically telling me about all the various cities in which he was teaching or planning to travel to and teach at the time. The witness above was present during this discussion, and as mentioned above, I never received any satisfactory answer beyond that he was a good teacher and that it was not necessary for others to become teachers yet as they may as well continue practising to be a teacher under his direction. So strange that rather than trying to help people move along and take more responsibility so that the workload is shared more evenly, from the manner of his response it seemed to me that he wanted to keep all the glory to himself, while being supported by those under his direction.
On one of the nights at Vernon’s house he showed us a recording of a talk Belsebuub gave in Greece. A comment he made really stuck with me to this day. Out of the blue he mentioned that many of the Greek students did not like Belsebuub and kept asking Vernon to teach instead. I asked him why he thought that and he replied that people thought he was a better teacher and were disappointed when they heard Belsebuub was going to give a talk, and he said that it’s better that way anyhow. I thought that what was behind the comment was a sort of glee, like it was a good thing that they preferred to listen to him over Belsebuub (or any another teacher, I suppose), and like it gave him more authority as a teacher.
These are just a few examples, and as I do not wish to go into further private details, I’ll leave it at that. At the end of our trip though, I recall telling my partner that I had a feeling based on various observations I’ve made and just based on a strong intuitive hunch that Vernon was going to be asked to leave The Gnostic Movement or that something similar was going to happen to him. My partner had the same feeling. We hoped this wouldn’t be the case and even tried to speak to Vernon later on to try to help him out. This hunch materialized a few years later.
Like others mentioned, I also recall seeing pictures from Barbara and her ex-husband’s trip to Greece, and thinking it was odd that she was always close with Vernon and her husband was always in the background. I had a strange feeling too when I was looking at pictures from the London retreat, where Barbara and Vernon were seen close together, giving the impression they were a couple.
I am saddened to have to bring these things up. They are not things I ever wished to discuss about anyone, let alone someone I considered a friend. I was and still am grateful for the hospitality Vernon provided us with upon our stay. I feel though that it’s important to mention these things because they show that not everything was “kosher” as they say, and that there were things brewing in Greece that were odd and apparent to me as a foreign visitor years before Vernon and Barbara were asked to leave The Gnostic Movement due to their behaviour, which ultimately came to the surface.
There is so much injustice and harm described in this article. I feel so sorry for all those badly affected by the negativity in Greece and Cyprus from Vernon’s influence.
But I felt hope at the end of your account where you mention that this could all be taken off the internet. It’s been mentioned elsewhere on this site, that nobody here really “wants” to be doing this, but that it’s a necessity in the name of truth.
If the false and harmful smear campaign could end, the Gnostic Freedom site would be irrelevant and could too be discarded.
Thank you for sharing this article, and thank you for the immensely wise words from Samael Aun Weor:
“If you see that all the doors are closed, you should knock on the door of true repentance which remains always opened.”
“In the Heavens there is more joy when a bad person repents than one thousand good people”.
Thank you for writing this article.
Finally we begin to unveil the truth about Vernon’s personality; a wolf disguised in lamb’s clothing, just as I began to suspect after working for him.
This article touches at the heart of Vernon’s two faced personality. While I worked for him and because of the unique circumstance we were in, he was on his best behaviour, he came across as a friendly, generous and coy individual with a nervous laugh, you would never think he was capable of the behaviour you describe, and his employees made him out to be a martyr, someone who has suffered serious injustice, which shows how he has them fooled as well. I soon came to see his masquerade and that is when I left his employment.
I know your witness accounts to be accurate as I have heard similar accounts from several different sources. Vernon needs to be made accountable for his reckless behaviour and abuse of power, which makes you question what he was trying to prove with this type of tyrannical behaviour with Gnostic students; to the point of putting their lives in danger. As one of Belsebuub’s volunteers myself, I know for a fact that Belsebuub would never have consented to these extreme excursions and this display of radical behaviour from his teachers, Bezebuub is very safety conscious and fair person, who always insisted on the importance of protecting ones body from harm, especial because of the law of accident. The worst of it all, is that Vernon exerted such conviction, giving people the false understanding that his behaviour was coming from Belsebuub’s encouragement, which gave him all the more credibility and put Vernon’s students in a difficult predicament, thinking that, questioning Vernon was questioning Belsebuub, when Belsebuub would have immediately put a stop to this way of handling students if he was aware of it.
Which brings me to my my next point, something I often mentioned to students in the centres I have managed. Great responsibility comes with passing on these teachings, because we need to stay true to the teachings, we are like messengers who speak through our own words and experience, we should not quote the teachings constantly without understanding our place as Teachers. Vernon has clearly failed to understand the difference between passing on the teachings and making the teachings his own, the later is the making of a dangerous person, and this we can see from his outrageous negative campaign.
These sad events that unfolded in Greece, Cyprus, and the UK are truly tragic. When I think about all the sincere seekers that have been pushed away by Vernon’s fanaticism — real people with real essences who lost their chance at the spiritual work — it is absolutely horrifying.
Like many others watching from a distance, I usually only saw the façade that Vernon presented, which appears now to have been a choreographed show meant to make himself look spiritual and advanced.
I always knew Vernon had his own unique way of presenting the teachings. I had no idea he was actually distorting and manipulating them to his own ends.
The events and actions described in this post are just unspeakable. What is written here in my view goes beyond simple mystical pride and extends close to the point of megalomania.
I’m just appalled that anyone entrusted with so much responsibility — and few people had more responsibility than Vernon — could have abused that power, abused his students’ trust, and abused the serious mission he had been entrusted with in such a flagrant and extreme way.
I can only quote again the list that Sabah put together to really emphasize how serious these breaches are:
“Treating female students with disrespect, interfering between couples; forcing people to walk on a path of thorns for their “inner work”; deliberately putting people in difficult and dangerous situations in order to “test” them; overworking people to the point of exhaustion to complete tasks that would make him look good; subjecting people to severe sleep deprivation against their will; abusing his friendly relationship with a media personality in order to defame and persecute an entire worldwide community of spiritual seekers and their teacher and endangering the lives of several people along the way; telling a student that if they were thrown off a cliff, it would be their own fault; trying to hide the truth from others to make himself look good and support the image he had built for himself; psychologically pressuring people to do what he wanted them to do against their will; blaming others for his own mistakes; taking money that others had raised without permission and without giving any explanation; pressuring people to purchase expensive items for his centre on their credit cards; forcing people to repay him for expenses he had incurred for the centre of his own doing; making students travel a dangerous road along a mountain and cliff in the dark to do a practice, while he kept sleeping; taking donations raised for one purpose and using them for another; gossiping about and criticising other teachers with students; distorting the spiritual teachings and giving his own take on them to students; manipulating students using the fear of punishment to get his way; undermining and interfering with sessions that other teachers were giving; taking control of the centre after he was asked to leave and seizing all its assets; showing callous disregard for the safety and wellbeing of others; making personal threats to people; and the list just goes on and on.”
It is then particularly appalling that Vernon and his partner Barbara have made so many terrible accusations against Belsebuub for things he has never done, when these atrocious things were happening under Vernon’s watch.
I feel really terrible for all the people in Europe who had to suffer through this for so long, being like pawns in someone else’s game, being used as tools and being discarded in order to serve another’s ambitions and desires.
I wish you all the strength and hope you can continue building a true mystical community that can help others again in that part of the world.
I can’t believe that these things happened. It’s so shocking that a person could take these teachings and twist them so much, let alone two people! Vernon was on a crazy power trip and used his own interpretation of the teachings for personal gain. Like, that’s so totally backwards from everything we stand for.
I feel great sorrow for every individual that was turned away from these powerful teachings because of the poor actions from a small handful of Teachers and higher ups. And to literally put people’s lives in danger, just to get what they wanted…. that’s completely unacceptable.
I really admire the courage of every person who stuck through this storm in Greece and to you Witness R for coming forward with your account. Thank you so much for clarifying the truth and helping to shine the light even brighter on this website.
Thanks for sharing this.
The sorts of things outlined above that Vernon has done are truly awful!
I’m very curious to know where that retreat money went… And how can any humane individual justify making students walk barefoot on a thorny path?
There are many other things I could comment on, too…
Regarding the conclusion… That really would be beautiful if the attackers put an end to their lies and hate site, and truly left us in peace, free to practice these teachings.
It must be very difficult for you witness R to write about all this and I understand when you say you were postponing writing this for days.
This article really gives a better idea why these people were asked to leave the TGM.
I’m not a saint myself in any way, but it is clear that with such a behavior how can he complain he was asked to leave? He was not a beginner, he supposed to teach people on how to understand and correct theie behavior, and this is a different story.
That’s a great responsibility.
There is this thing called free will, and it seems Vernon never learned how to respect this; neither back then or now when he is asked to leave our community free.
There are not only the good deeds that are taken into consideration but also the bad ones. And every bad deed obviously has its consequences. And I think everybody knows that.
To react in such a horrible way upon the consequences, can only bring more consequences.
This community is strong, and this has not happened accidentally. There are some specific reasons for keeping us going. Everybody here has their own experiences, and this is something no word can take away.
Thank you very much for sharing all of the details about what you know. It is so important to hear about all these specific events, because it really fills in the gaps with what was happening behind the scenes with Vernon over the years.
The thing that sticks out to me the most is how many people Vernon drove away with his behavior. He had such a negative influence by putting people down, manipulating situations and people to suit his purposes, and all of the strange cult-like behaviors which he instigated…it really is a shame that so many people were impacted.
I cannot express enough thanks to you for having written this article. To think that one person could reap so much havoc…
It is truly inspiring to read that at the end of it all, despite the drama, trauma and destruction that Vernon has produced, you still have enough heart to wish him nothing but good fortune in his endeavours.
I hope that those members that had been taking their first steps towards spirituality will be able to find their way back.
Thank you again for taking the time to write this. Thank you also for all the comments verifying the accuracy of this article.
I wish you and all the practising members affected, increased Strength and Peace in your works.
I was pretty blown away by this testimonial. So much of it was shocking.
Hate campaign aside, I was struck by the impact that one person can have on the spiritual development of others. That so many people were turned away from the teachings because of Vernon’s actions was really shocking to me.
I had actually looked at Vernon as an example because he was the only person that I knew of who went from being an online student to directly starting a center. I remember feeling inspired by that because I could see that it was possible for someone to succeed in the spiritual work if they put in the right efforts.
I never would have imagined that he was running centers and treating human being in this way. It is really shocking. I have gotten this impression from other testimonials, but the details and examples you provide have really brought the reality of the situation into the light.
It is really amazing that you and others in Greece and Cyprus have continued throughout all of this, and managed to overcome obstacles and to not be stopped by such treatment and threats.
I wish all of you lots of strength to keep the light shining and to protect your rights and the rights of those who are searching for spirituality.
Because I participated in the Greek retreat of 2008 , I must admit that the events recounted by R, is completely accurate.
It is sad to note that some people who have thoroughly studied teachers books , show such behavior. This person , not touched by any paragraph , but demonstrated that it was also dangerous. I understand that no one mortal can judge another mortal , but I admit that I was shocked … and unpleasantly surprised, as I read these detailed narratives. I wish wholeheartedly God to forgive him, but also forgive me.
I’m also thankful for this detailed account. For me it shows clearly how distorted Vernon’s perception of the spiritual work was (or is). The type of actions he carried out as a Teacher were not at all what The Gnostic Movement would encourage or support, they’re just not right.
Also, the way he uses media is so manipulated and distorted, not only on the TV show but also on the hate site, all I see is a typical format of scandals and lies very common in the mainstream media nowadays: “They did this”, “They did that”, “Look at her”, “Look at him”, etc.. It’s so easy to prepare whole programs or write articles about other people, to persuade the public with well structured messages, covering every point in the formula so it can produce certain reaction in the reader (call it fear, anger, etc) and maybe lead them to certain action, depending on the objectives of the author and how they want to direct the the public opinion. Unfortunately most people still believe in this type of pseudo-journalism, and it’s incredible the time people spend looking or reading what other people said or did, etc.
My only question would be then, if all what they say about Belsebuub and The Gnostic Movement was to be true, what would be the other option? Surely not them! Just looking at the headings, I can’t see anything Gnostic or even spiritual in their site. So what’s the point?
I also have to say that never a Teacher or a Member mentioned or gossiped about what was going on with Vernon and Barbara while I was a Trainee and later a Teacher. I personally wouldn’t have cared about their personal lives, but just reading this account makes clearer the big damage they have caused.
So I also join others in saying that this nonsense needs to stop, the sooner, the better for all.
“Also, the way he uses media is so manipulated and distorted, not only on the TV show but also on the hate site, all I see is a typical format of scandals and lies very common in the mainstream media nowadays: “They did this”, “They did that”, “Look at her”, “Look at him”, etc.. It’s so easy to prepare whole programs or write articles about other people, to persuade the public with well structured messages, covering every point in the formula so it can produce certain reaction in the reader (call it fear, anger, etc) and maybe lead them to certain action, depending on the objectives of the author and how they want to direct the the public opinion. Unfortunately most people still believe in this type of pseudo-journalism, and it’s incredible the time people spend looking or reading what other people said or did, etc.”
You’re so correct Priscilla. Below is another example.
Barbara, has recently posted further accusations, claiming that Belsebuub, and that more than 50 fanatical followers are attacking her and Vernon. Also, she’s claiming that they’ve twice offered us opportunities for negotiation, and that we rejected any attempts of a peaceful resolution. Furthermore, she has stated that we never attempted to deal with them like human beings nor try to resolve this conflict amicably.
To me, this is really absurd, the only attempts of negotiation that I’m aware of have been blackmail to submit to their lies. No one is attacking Barbara and Vernon and we definitely would never want them any harm. We are only defending the false accusations.
Also I’m not sure how many more times we can plead for a peaceful resolution. This plea has been very clear throughout our defense site.
Barbara if you are serious, please stop these false accusations and remove your site so that we can remove ours. And know that we definitely wish you no ill will and I pray for you and Vernon to be happy.
I think the way this community has dealt with the attackers has been more than fair. One thing that really stands out to me is that we aren’t using the real names here for Barbara, Vernon, and their crew.
I wonder how they would feel if every comment on this site included their full first and last name and other personal details, so everyone on the internet could find out what they are really up to…
It’s almost too kind of a gesture, in my opinion. But we treat others with compassion here, even if they in turn display nothing but hatred.
You’ve got a valid point here:
“One thing that really stands out to me is that we aren’t using the real names here for Barbara, Vernon, and their crew.”
How can this be labeled by Barbara, Vernon & crew as a ‘hate site’ when we don’t even publish their real names? We aren’t out to ruin their careers, destroy them as people, or anything else sinister. We are here simply to defend the truth, so that real side of the smear campaign (which they instigated of their own volition) is put out there for everyone to see.
This is another clear case of underlying motives coming out through the way people conduct themselves.
Barbara’s comments appear increasingly erratic and nonsensical to me. I just do not understand how she can say we have made no attempt to resolve this.
Barbara has not only attacked Belsebuub but our whole community, labeling us in an extremely demeaning and disparaging way, portraying us as “brainwashed” cult members who need to be saved like chickens locked in a cage. She has called us fanatics, accused members of non-existent fraud, and many other deceitful claims, while she herself has been involved in an apparent pyramid scheme or MLM with an ex felon founder who was actually convicted of fraud.
We are not “middleman” like she claims because Barbara has attacked us directly.
We never asked her to attack us and our faith publicly. And we never would have published anything about her if she hadn’t publicly attacked us (and as pointed out, we are not even using her real name). The only reason this site exists is to rebut her lies and hatred. If not for her public smear campaign, there would be no need for any of our rebuttals to exist.
Many of us have all tried many times to resolve this amicably. We have repeatedly asked her in our comments to take down her smear campaign sites and posts, saying we would be quite happy to do the same. Can it get much clearer, simple, or peaceful than that? Does she want peace or not? It’s simple: take down your attacks, and we will stop defending because we will have no need to defend. I am sure everyone would be happy to put all this behind us.
So why doesn’t she want peace? Why won’t she just stop? Is this about her pride?
Barbara, believe me, we do not want to have to write about all this, but if you keep attacking us we will have to keep defending ourselves. If you really want a peaceful resolution, then just stop and take your sites and posts down and I am sure we would be happy to do the same. But if you don’t stop, we will have to keep speaking out against your hate and hypocrisy.
“Barbara’s comments appear increasingly erratic and nonsensical to me. I just do not understand how she can say we have made no attempt to resolve this.”
Matthew I agree with you here. I think just about every single person has asked Barbara at one point or another to stop all of this ugliness, take down the hate site so that we can take down our defense site and all of us can move on peacefully.
But, for the sake of thoroughness, I’m going to ask again.
Barbara:
This is a formal request to stop this whole mess. Let’s reach a resolution. Take down your hate site, so that we have nothing to defend against. We’d love to move on, take down this site, and peacefully go about our separate ways. If you’re really interested in peace, then please honor this sincere request to stop all of this.
Well said Matthew, I too was really taken back by her statement, that we have made no attempt to resolve this.
The peace offering is there and a fair one, they take down their hate site and other hate content and we will take down this site, as there won’t be a need for it. This has been clearly stated by many people on this site.
This all could end, we could all have peace and move on with our lives, the ball is in their court.
If they really wanted peace, they would do this. Why won’t they end this, why don’t they want peace?
“So why doesn’t she want peace? Why won’t she just stop? Is this about her pride?”
It must be, Matthew. I can’t see how anyone could miss the painfully obvious attempts to resolve the situation: SMEAR CAMPAIGN CEASES AND SO DOES OUR DEFENSE!
No one, but someone completely blinded but some horrible ego (like pride), could miss that…
I’d be more than happy for us not to have to defend ourselves and our spirituality. And that can only happen if the attackers remove their smear campaign from the internet.
Are you all serious? Do you honestly believe that I would:
a) Respond to a request that is not sent to me personally but is published on a hateful website which was set-up solely to defame me and my husband?
b) Respond to a request in which you insult me in one breath and speak of peace in the other?
c) Respond to a so called ‘peaceful request’ that follows 20+ hateful, deceitful, revengeful, and false articles written about me?
d) Respond to any one of you, when you have spent the last 2 years lying about me and trying to harm me, my husband and many others?
I would only ever respond to SERIOUS requests and not practical jokes, and certainly not because people have tried to force me into silence. Furthermore, I don’t accept nor agree with the fact that Mark Pritchard has put all of you in the front line while he cowardly hides behind the scenes. I will repeat what I said, that if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me.
As I said, I really don’t care what you write about me here and clearly you have nothing new to say. So I have no motivation to remove my articles. They are there for a purpose and that is to warn people about the type of group you have become and the man who leads you. And this website only supports what I have been saying. Your behaviour and actions speak for themselves.
Barbara, if you really didn’t care about what we write here, then you would not have posted comments here.
Did we think you would respond? Whatever we may have thought is irrelevant now. The fact is you just have responded.
On your website you recently said this:
“From the outset, they never attempted to deal with us like human beings nor try to resolve this conflict amicably, rather their way of dealing with it was to launch a full blown attack on us.”
Can’t you see that those words describe exactly what you did by launching your smear campaign that has been running for over two years? We would not even be in this position right now if you had, from the outset, treated Mark and all of us like human beings. Instead, you took to the internet (TV was used also) to attack us publicly, cowardly hiding behind anonymity, portraying us as brainwashed victims locked in cages needing to be freed from a “cult”, and spreading and inciting hatred against us and our faith. You are in no position to call anyone else a coward after attacking a spiritual community anonymously like that. Especially when you continue to hide behind anonymity in the very comment you call someone else a coward.
Because you brought your vendetta into the public sphere, here we are, in the public sphere, trying to deal with it. We have simply met you in the place where you decided to attack us. And you have attacked all of us, and had a terrible effect on many people’s lives – that cannot be denied.
It would have been irresponsible of us not to put the facts and the truth in response to the misleading and false things you have published about us. This is not an attack; we are just putting the truth in response to your lies. Some of the facts and information may be uncomplimentary to you and Vernon, but unfortunately it is necessary for us to put it forward in response to your smear campaign, so people can see the full story and receive the truth.
Despite your show of brushing us off, the facts and testimonies published here do reveal a lot Barbara, and you know it, and perhaps that is why you are unable to respond to what is written. And this obviously bothers you otherwise you would not have commented here in the way you have.
Our messages requesting peace are just to let you know that if you ever decide to stop, and remove your smear campaign from the web, then we will completely leave you alone. Sites like this would no longer need to exist.
But if you do not want this to stop, so be it. I am prepared to keep going. No one makes me do this; it is what I do out of my own sense of responsibility and care for the truth and these teachings which I value greatly. I’d prefer not to have this continue, but that is up to you.
So you choose to respond by saying you will not address the serious concerns about your actions, nor provide any explanations to your contradictory claims. Instead you continue playing the victim, while evading responsibility for your actions.
“Despite your show of brushing us off, the facts and testimonies published here do reveal a lot Barbara, and you know it, and perhaps that is why you are unable to respond to what is written. And this obviously bothers you otherwise you would not have commented here in the way you have.” –> Very true.
You seem offended that these testimonials are up here and that people are asking for you to account for your actions, and yet it is you yourself who turned to the public with the smear campaign and it is only logical for us to respond to your attacks. Matthew put it well:
“Because you brought your vendetta into the public sphere, here we are, in the public sphere, trying to deal with it. We have simply met you in the place where you decided to attack us. And you have attacked all of us, and had a terrible effect on many people’s lives – that cannot be denied.”
The way I see it, there are no insults published here. Just individuals who are sharing what they witnessed and their impressions of your actions. Here, however, are the types of insults you have chosen to publish on your site – these are a few of the terms that Belsebuub and the people in this community have been labeled with in the latest article alone: “a nonce”, “a sexual deviant”, “TGM sheep”, “idiots”, “bunch of monkeys”.
The condescending way in which you present yourself here is very telling too. You said:
“Furthermore, I don’t accept nor agree with the fact that Mark Pritchard has put all of you in the front line while he cowardly hides behind the scenes. I will repeat what I said, that if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me.”
Why would I wait for someone else to contact you under your conditions, when your campaign is affecting my life and everybody else’s here? Sorry to disappoint, but no I’m not here because I’m “brainwashed” or was “told to do so”. I am here because I want to stand up against the injustice of your actions and the harm that they are causing.
You say you don’t care, but you obviously do. You care enough to pore over our forums, our blogs, our community websites, and the witness testimonies published here, and seemingly down to even people’s personal lives, like supposedly knowing exactly where Belsebuub and Angela reside and what their IP address is… You cared enough to respond to this thread. The fact that you care is pretty plain.
I feel like the type of comment you’ve posted here is really like kids in a school yard, looking to elicit an argument for the sake of an argument or out of hurt pride. What’s the point of it? Our requests for you to stop the attacks and the smear campaign are not a practical joke. I really wish for this pettiness to end.
“Why would I wait for someone else to contact you under your conditions, when your campaign is affecting my life and everybody else’s here? Sorry to disappoint, but no I’m not here because I’m “brainwashed” or was “told to do so”. I am here because I want to stand up against the injustice of your actions and the harm that they are causing.”
Jenny you have brought forward some very points. Well said and without a doubt I’m 100% with you.
Yes, this point stood out to me, as well. Very well said, Jenny!
“Despite your show of brushing us off, the facts and testimonies published here do reveal a lot Barbara, and you know it, and perhaps that is why you are unable to respond to what is written. And this obviously bothers you otherwise you would not have commented here in the way you have.”
You’re so right Matthew, This witness account and the many testimonies have exposed some very concerning evidences against Barbara and Vernon.
In what way have you been harmed Barbara? ?
How can a wolf play victim after he hurt himself in his attack?
You are living in anonymity, relaxing on your cruises and pyramid schemes, while you anonymously blanket attack a whole spiritual community and its teacher which you personally, maliciously launched yourself.
Where is the peaceful resolution attempt you demand? All the while, right from the start you displayed a calculated revengeful campaign to hurt anyone in your way.
Are you joking that you think no one would step up and tell the truth and retract all your warped lies?
I too believe you are very uncomfortable seeing all these testimonies, finally liberating the truth from your twisted pr campaign and the only response you have is that they are all another lie, whereas you do not have any capability to respond to a testimony that speaks out against you to retract anything false – because simply – there is nothing to retract. The only response is your cowardly attempt to mock us and try and put as down, but you are incapable of resolving or clarifying any of these testimonies – which to me speaks louder then any of your erratic attention seeking behaviour.
It’s complete nonsense to say someone is pushing me here. What you have done is appalling, and distasteful and has invaded in my personal life. I only wish for you to step back and see a different life for yourself without this chaos, just let everything go and enjoy your life without getting involved in trying to put down this community. Leave this community behind and start a new life.
But please know, that if you continue, there is no chance that I would stop, ignore or shrug off the lies you make. You are free to believe in what you will, but when you try and smear, threaten, harass, mock an entire community and the people who have given so much to it, there will not be silence from my part.
I only request, please remove your hateful sites, please put an end to all this mess, the ball is in your court.
It doesn’t matter who is right/who is wrong, forget these clashes of beliefs, let your site be taken down, and as you can see from so many comments, all of these sites and articles on GF will be gone.
“I too believe you are very uncomfortable seeing all these testimonies, finally liberating the truth from your twisted pr campaign and the only response you have is that they are all another lie, whereas you do not have any capability to respond to a testimony that speaks out against you to retract anything false – because simply – there is nothing to retract. The only response is your cowardly attempt to mock us and try and put as down, but you are incapable of resolving or clarifying any of these testimonies – which to me speaks louder then any of your erratic attention seeking behaviour.”
“But please know, that if you continue, there is no chance that I would stop, ignore or shrug off the lies you make. You are free to believe in what you will, but when you try and smear, threaten, harass, mock an entire community and the people who have given so much to it, there will not be silence from my part.”
Hello Olga, you also make some very good points which I totally support. Wherever this defense take us I will continue to defend the teachings and our spiritual teacher.
‘I too believe you are very uncomfortable seeing all these testimonies, finally liberating the truth from your twisted pr campaign and the only response you have is that they are all another lie, whereas you do not have any capability to respond to a testimony that speaks out against you to retract anything false – because simply – there is nothing to retract. The only response is your cowardly attempt to mock us and try and put as down, but you are incapable of resolving or clarifying any of these testimonies – which to me speaks louder then any of your erratic attention seeking behaviour.’
I also totally agree with the way you have expressed this Olga. I really find it difficult to reach any other conclusion.
Hi Barbara,
I personally care very much about what you write and have to say. Your words and actions have had a massive impact on the lives of many people over the last several years (including my own) and continue to do so.
I also believe that you care very much about what we have to say, since otherwise (as others have noted) you would not be commenting here.
I disagree with your statement that we are hateful, deceitful, revengeful, or trying to harm you.
You no doubt recall that YOU initiated this campaign — the first inkling of any of this for me was receiving your email on that dark day several years ago.
You’ll recall putting up your website and publishing your many, many articles.
You’ll recall saying things like this:
“…misguided followers, fanatics, desperate individuals locked within a narrow framework of perception, divided families and sincere people living empty lives…”
“…modern day gnostic groups who behave worse than even the lowest members of society…”
“…the very people running it were some of the poorest representations of spirituality you could find. Who is going to be inspired by an exhausted, sickly looking person speaking of spirituality when their own experience of anything spiritual was just a distant memory?”
YOU wrote those words — you wrote them in reference to me and to many of the other people here, who you knew well and who worked with you for quite a number of years.
You were not “attacked” or “provoked” into saying these things. You said them as a deliberate, planned, strategic act, designed to smear and defame The Gnostic Movement and anyone who is part of it, to present us in the worst possible light, to incite negativity and fear against us, and to limit the possible scope of our activities.
For some time your comments were left completely unopposed and without a response. There was complete silence on our side.
So the continued attempt to make this seem like a “two-way street” or even something that you have been provoked into because of attacks against YOU is a complete fiction and not defensible based on any realistic version of the facts.
It’s also clear that those who write here don’t do so because of a “command” from Belsebuub (he has never given one) but because of the very real harm that has been done by the events of the past years and because of the personal value we place on these teachings. It should also be noted that your comments touch us very personally as individuals.
With that in mind, a response and defence is completely appropriate and justified. If our sides of the story and experiences are not complimentary to you and Vernon, this is not because of our hatred or malice. It’s because of reality.
As Matthew mentioned, you have brought these matters into the public sphere and that’s where they are being debated. I for one would be only too happy to have this whole mess disappear completely.
I believe with complete seriousness that the solution to this is very simple. As others have said, if your MOG website and other sites/messages/videos/etc. were removed, this site would have no purpose at all.
I have very little hope of that happening at this stage, but I hope and pray that it can.
Hello Barbara,
As anyone not involved in the smear campaign against us can see, this website does not exist “solely to defame you and your husband”, nor is it hateful, but rather, it exists to defend against you and your husband’s smear campaign against our spiritual practice and teacher. As you know, at first when the campaign began everyone was silent allowing you and the core group behind you to say what they will, hoping that that would be enough for you and things would pass. However, as it got more and more vicious and defamatory as much time went on, without any end to it in sight with people cranking out false allegation after false allegation, people decided to take a stand to defend what we knew to be the truth.
If you are insulted by the things posted here I’d have to say that’s a bit ironic, because it means that unfortunately then you are insulted by your own words and actions, and that of the people that have been stirred up to action by your campaign, which is all that has been pointed out on this site. I have not lied about you, nor have I have tried to harm you or anyone else. Please, can we bring this back down to earth and forget all the drama? If you don’t wish these true personal experience accounts to appear online, then I would suggest you take down the false claims and attacks that the MOG site has perpetuated, and then as others have pointed out, there would be no need for this defence site to exist and it would be removed.
Your campaign has gone far past a simple “warning” of “the type of group [we] have become and the man who leads [us]”. Generally speaking, a “warning” of this nature wouldn’t encompass an ongoing targeted campaign over two years in which over 150 posts and articles have been put up on multiple websites, not to mention who knows how many hateful comments added to them, plus negative posts everywhere our spiritual teacher’s free books appear, hateful signs put up in and vandalism committed against centres and groups in cities which practise our chosen spirituality, threats and blackmail made in person and online to practitioners of these teachings, spam sent via email, family and friends contacted and harassed, and so on, and so on. The implications and results of it are very saddening to say the least, and they have been outlined clearly on this website.
I fully expect and appreciate that by now you don’t care what we think or write. No one is asking you to. Think what you will, what we do care about is the health, safety, and wellbeing of everyone in this matter (regardless of their spiritual beliefs), and that our chosen spirituality can be practised by those who wish without any further harm coming to them as a result of your campaign. So please, end your campaign so that people can be free to move on with their lives and be free of the negativity and hatred that is festering over there on MOG, and before people are further incited to commit further acts and crimes against our community and spiritual teacher.
“I fully expect and appreciate that by now you don’t care what we think or write. No one is asking you to. Think what you will, what we do care about is the health, safety, and wellbeing of everyone in this matter (regardless of their spiritual beliefs), and that our chosen spirituality can be practised by those who wish without any further harm coming to them as a result of your campaign. So please, end your campaign so that people can be free to move on with their lives and be free of the negativity and hatred that is festering over there on MOG, and before people are further incited to commit further acts and crimes against our community and spiritual teacher.”
Jordan I’m totally with you there. The safety of our practitioners is a very serious matter and Barbara should never be taking such risks with people’s lives. It’s appalling and totally irresponsible.
Barbara, as mentioned by Jordon “think what you want” but seriously enough is enough this is not a joking matter. How many more times must we write this. I really hope that no harm comes to anyone before you come to your senses.
Jordan
I agree with you…
“If you are insulted by the things posted here I’d have to say that’s a bit ironic, because it means that unfortunately then you are insulted by your own words and actions, and that of the people that have been stirred up to action by your campaign, which is all that has been pointed out on this site.”
I think this illustrates a very interesting aspect of those who are contributing to the hate site.
Barbara can you be more sincere? Can you please stop acting? Can you please change your role of being a victim and come back to your senses?
You have said yourself that you are freely enjoying your life and that you are having a great time. Good for you! This is not really a description of a victim’s life though so you have been contradicting yourself.
The real victim here is Belsebuub whose life is in danger. Real victims are the people that your lies had a big impact on the way they live now.
We have never tried to harm you in any way and we have never threatened or bullied you and we never will.
We mean no harm to you or to anyone else. We just feel obliged to counteract your lies with the truth. And we won’t stop because what you do is unfair and very harmful.
Truth hurts some times, it is inevitable. But you should take responsibility of your actions and accept it because it wouldn’t have hurt you so much if you hadn’t blatantly lied in the first place.
I would personally admire you if you would stop your campaign and erase all its traces.
That would be really amazing for you.
Don’t you think it is time for you to stop and find peace in yourself?
Barbara, the irony of your posting baffles me.
This is hardly a hateful website. It’s quite clear that the sole purpose of this site is to defend against your false accusations and make the truth be known to the public since you have managed to distort it over the last 2 years. Furthermore, it’s not our way to defame people, rather this is what you have continually been doing to us. You know that.
Regarding your comment on ‘practical jokes’, do you really think this is a joking matter. You may think light of all this but to us this is a very serious matter and is being treated that way on many levels.
As an individual with free will and a mind of my own I am here in the ‘front line’ ,as you call it, because your attacking words have also been directed at me. However, if we want to defend Mark then that is our right too.
“…if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me…”
Is this some sort of threat? What other type of resolution besides a peaceful one are you suggesting?
If you don’t want to take down your website and instead continue your smear campaign, then that is your choice. It’s your time, energy and life that you are wasting after all. However, don’t expect us to remain silent. We will continue to work to untangle the distorted accusations that you put out there for the public to see, while you cowardly hide behind your anonymity.
“As I said, I really don’t care what you write about me here…”
Somehow, I’m not convinced of this statement from you especially considering all the hours you have been putting into your smear campaign over the last 2 years, and now weakly refuting our Witness accounts. I call it weak because there is not much one can say when the truth is put out there.
When there is no longer a need for us to defend ourselves against your lies, we will then be able to take down our site and move on.
No one’s trying to “force” you into “silence” Barbara, that’s not how we work here. We are making an open and sincere request for you to cease your vilification of our community and teacher, which you have been doing relentlessly since we asked you to leave TGM back in April 2009. We’ve been very patient and tried to ignore it for as long as we could, but now it’s getting to the point that the situation has become way out of hand and people’s lives could even be in danger.
Even you would admit that things have spiralled out of your control, and the types of people whom you are attracting to your site (eg. hitmen who make offers to murder others) is very concerning. Do you want to be responsible for what an unbalanced person may do after being provoked by your website, where you and others liken people in this community and Mark Pritchard to psychopaths, child molesters, sexual deviants, monsters, rapists, stalkers etc without any evidence or truth? Do you really think your claim that you are trying to “warn” people will stand up under scrutiny when there is a record here that we have repeatedly asked you to stop out of concern for safety, and you have consciously dismissed these requests and continued vilifying us even more?
I only hope that you can realise the seriousness of things before it is too late.
“No one’s trying to “force” you into “silence” Barbara, that’s not how we work here. We are making an open and sincere request for you to cease your vilification of our community and teacher, which you have been doing relentlessly since we asked you to leave TGM back in April 2009. We’ve been very patient and tried to ignore it for as long as we could, but now it’s getting to the point that the situation has become way out of hand and people’s lives could even be in danger.”
I agree, we have been very patient and the situation is getting out of control.
I do not know if Barbara, Vernon, and Jake fail to realize this or if they do not care, but they put this spiritual community and teacher in danger through their actions. We have already seen clues of this in their forums, including a death threat to Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub).
I think you raised an excellent point regarding the fact that they portray Belsebuub using the worst possible associations. It is horrifying that they use those terms to incite hatred towards him. I feel it is cowardly to exploit the unbalanced and hateful nature of others in an attempt to do what has unfortunately become their life’s mission.
I find it distasteful, indecent, and insensitive to throw around words like rapist, child molester, etc…when there exist real victims of these crimes. To see the weight of those words being exploited to incite hatred upon the spiritual teacher Belsebuub leaves me without words.
I also want to mention my view on sexual harassment. In my opinion, making light of sexual harassment is a slap in the face to all women who have experienced it.
It is a slap in the face to those who worked to create relevant laws and who fought for our safety and rights (for those fortunate enough to live in countries that do).
When an individual uses their status as a woman in order to exploit laws meant to protect women, this gives a bad impression of women.
It increases the likelihood that those who are violated will not be believed.
It makes women who have been harassed less likely to report it, allowing the crimes to continue.
I think anyone who uses sexual harassment in that way should consider the unintended consequences of their actions.
Some very good points there Gabrielle about the harmful and wide ranging affects of the hate campaign and the very serious nature of it all.
I hope they can see the ramifications of their actions, have some remorse about it and make it their chief aim to take steps to rectify the situation including for their own sakes of letting go of this negativity.
Some more irony and hypocrisy on their part is that their MLM/Pyramid scheme website has various self-improvement type articles on it, one of which is entitled “Facing the enemies within”. A pity that article doesn’t talk about facing pride and anger. It does talk though about eliminating fear, indifference, indecision, doubt, worry, over-caution/timidity. Its not too dissimilar from what we might say about the inner work to eliminate egos. And yet they label us a cult when they have in part a similar teaching on their own website!
I can’t see how they think they will achieve “dynamic health” and “emotional well being” when they are the instigators and maintainers of such a negative, harmful and untruthful smear campaign against innocent good and honest people such as Mark Pritchard/Belsebuub, Angela, Edith and all the good folks who make up this community.
”This is a formal request to stop this whole mess. Let’s reach a resolution. Take down your hate site, so that we have nothing to defend against. We’d love to move on, take down this site, and peacefully go about our separate ways. If you’re really interested in peace, then please honor this sincere request to stop all of this.”
I echo this request.
This would be a real victory for both sides. Peace
@Barbara,
Do you realize we post here of our own free will? No one, Belsebuub or anyone else, told me I had to come to this site and post comments.
I personally have come here with the hope that in defending these teachings and Belsebuub (whose account I fully believe and not yours), at some point the attacks on this community can come to an end i.e. you attackers have no sites out there dedicated to smearing Belsebuub’s name or depicting those of us who practice his teachings as brainwashed cult members.
Everyone is free to do what they wish in life and to practice whatever form of spirituality they choose. I personally have found no harm in these teachings, only benefits. And it seems all teachers and members who were around towards the end of The Gnostic Movement, save you and Vernon, have the same feelings.
If you respect free will and care about anyone other than yourself, please let us pursue what makes us happy without persecution. You don’t need to “protect” us; we’re adults and we can make our own decisions.
I pray your posting here is a genuine sign that you are open to peace and that you will listen to reason, and not an act to deceive others and gain “public support”…
Let there be peace.
Barbara…What exactly do you think you’re protecting people from with your articles? They are founded in accusations and what appears to be made up facts to suit your accusations. Accusations, I should add, are quite different from reality in that they aren’t actually truth. I can accuse you all I want of eating my sandwich but it doesn’t actually make it true. Especially if there are numerous people from all over the world who can show how I didn’t in fact, eat your sandwich. What really motivates you to keep these articles? So many people have come forward and shown again and again the many holes and contradictions in your stories and accusations. How can you actually want to stand behind them? If I was going to “defend” and accuse so harshly, I would really want to make sure that what I was defending was based on truth, otherwise it would reveal how false I am and the entire campaign is.
You’ve caused damage to an entire spiritual community, our friends and family and our teacher, and in my view, it hasn’t been in the name of truth, but through lies, bullying, abuse and manipulation. Its end is long overdue and we all want to move on since no matter how you’ve tried in various ways to manipulate this community we are still here, practicing the teachings (of our own accord) and defending them and it’s pretty clear we will be continuing to do so.
Please consider truly moving on. Disregard all feelings of pride. We aren’t going to make a cake and dance if you take down your site. We just want to freely practice these teachings in PEACE; as it is every humans born right to do so. That’s what the outcome would be, you get to move on, live the life you want, free from all this and as would we. Consider, what life would be like with peace.
Hi Barbara
I hope that you’ll try and remember our ways as Gnostics, and will respect our free will to practices these teachings.
As someone who would never want to hurt you, please understand that we have no other solution but to defend these teachings and our friends.
I really really wish that you will stop and be happy in your life.
“Barabara”
I am truly appalled that even here completely in the open where your contradictions are SO obvious, you continue to lie and misrepresents the truth… At least, you are making great efforts at showing your true color..
a) Respond to a request that is not sent to me personally but is published on a hateful website which was set-up solely to defame me and my husband?
Not sent to you personally? Well how could we? That’s a funny one. We all have to meet you where you have decided to bring your hateful grudge: on the internet.
So in case it is not clear. I am addressing myself personally to you:
Barbare, please I beg you. Stop the hatred, stop the hurtful and distasteful smear campaign. Please, I wish you truly to move on peacefully. To let go of your anger, and to please leave us alone, leave us free to practice the spirituality of our choice. If you site and related posts in other forums are taken down, then this defense site no longer needs to exist.
In terms of calling our defense site a hateful site, again that is a terribly loaded and colorful point you are trying to make, yet it is false. There is no hate here. Only factual recollection of events, which though you may obviously not like because it destroys all your lies and hence “decides” the only way to deal with the truth is to call it ‘hate’.. But it stands as what it is: truth, recollection of events by many, many people.
b) Respond to a request in which you insult me in one breath and speak of peace in the other?
Again.. no one is insulting you.. You may be offended of my opinion that I think you have become a liar, and a deceitful person, and that I write it here, but it has been your choice to put all of this in the internet, make it public. Would I think of you in this manner if you had not done so? No of course, not. But in all honesty your actions, speech and hate is what has become of you.
If you actually read the testimonials that explains what went on and that no one talked about you or Vernon until now as comments and posts here, then you would see the sadness behind the words of people who remembered you as a nice person, but saw you change and become what you are now.. And this is what you have decided to become.
You must remember that it has been your choice to present a fake story on television, to spread false gossip (when you thought everyone was discussing you.. yet no one was..), to call your friends cult followers, brain washed, to manipulate a mother and destroy a family, and to start a real hate site in which people are incited to hate us, to discriminate against us and to put us down..
Have you even forgotten that your hate site came up first? That you first tried to make it look like it was a site about “many” different gnostic group, yet it only targets this community? That you have written that it brings you joy to see the centers closed down (paraphrased).. Do you even realize how sad and full of hatred that comment is? You rejoice to see people not able to practice the spirituality of their choice? No one made you say these things. You did.. And you continue to write and lie about us..
c) Respond to a so called ‘peaceful request’ that follows 20+ hateful, deceitful, revengeful, and false articles written about me?
We are peaceful… And our community is much larger than what you “try” to make it sound like. “hateful, deceitful, revengeful and false” – waow.. that’s a mouthful there… Yet again, you call something black that’s not even gray.. All the testimonies add up.. And as more and more testimonies are appearing, it only shows again the truth of it all.. And it clearly shows the picture of what you have become clear cut.. It does not need to be so.. It pains me to see this site exists truly, because in all honesty these things discussed here are personal matters, but again you chose to make it all public on TV and on the internet, dedicating a website for it.. So we must meet you where you have decided to attack us and we have our right to defend ourselves.
The fact that the truth has come out about your actions, and behavior may be something you wish no one knew about is one thing, but calling it ‘false, hate, deceit and revenge’ only shows how you seem to have lost common sense.. And calling the truth hate does not add up.
I guess I can understand where you are coming from, it is easier to hate than to admit your own’s faults.. But that is not the choice I am making, that’s the one you are making.
But this site is not deceitful. Again, the testimonies add up, and are from many different people and are verified by many other people.. The truth does always come out.
“revengeful” again no.. By presenting many false accusations, spreading false gossip, mass emailing people and continuing to allow baseless and senseless accusations be made against us for over 2 years, you are the one who has attacked us non-stop, allowing people to post crude, false and blatantly libelous comments for 2 years as well on your hate site.
We are only putting our side of the story, the right one.. Because in it, people also have accepted their own faults, and come clean with them, taking responsibility when it was needed. But you haven’t. You tried to come back and be part of our community for about a year, and when it was not possible, that’s when you started your hate site..
That is what is called revenge, when you can’t get what you want, you plot against it..
We haven’t plotted anything. We are here defending our spiritual and religious rights, our name, our practices and each other. And people on their own, comments and write their testimonies, that it took almost 2 years for that to happen, actually again shows the peaceful nature of our community.. We all thought that you would move on, when hatred is not met with hatred, but you haven’t. So then we must speak up. And, you are still not met with hatred but with truth..
d) Respond to any one of you, when you have spent the last 2 years lying about me and trying to harm me, my husband and many others?
That one again is again so crude for you to use.. No one has followed you (unlike people within this community), no one has put hate notices on your car (unlike people within this community), no one has gone and defaced your poster or vandalise the place where you meet to sell exclusive secrets/memberships (unlike different groups within this community) and again no one lies about you and no one here wishes you harm.. That we all truly feel sad for you is one thing and completely different from wishing you harm.. but you choose to twist even that bit of empathy and turn it into something it’s not.
This defense site would not exist if your hate site and all related hate and false posts and forums were not present any longer..
These teachings and this spiritual community is my life – I have all the rights to defend it. I wish to be able to practice my spirituality freely and in the open. Your continuous hate and smear campaign is attacking this most basic human right.
Like all the others, I don’t mind continuing to show my support of the truth, and defend it, and will continue to do so for as long as it’s needed.
Hello Geraldine, I found that your reply to Barbara/Nallig has brought forward some very strong points which were very well written.
Thank you for speaking out and for the care that you’ve taken by standing strong in our defense.
Geraldine, thank you for responding so sincerely, clearly and compassionately to Barbara’s misleading post. Your words reflect my own views entirely.
Geraldine, I too fully support everything you have said in your post above. Well said!
As is typical of the smear campaign, everything they try to accuse us of they are actually really guilty of themselves. How can they be so blind as to not see this?
Yes Barbara we are serious, this isn’t a joke.
As many others have pointed out here, you attacked The Gnostic Movement and our spiritual teacher Belzebuub by spreading lies and hatred about us, we did not initiate any of this.
You have written many harmful lies about internal affairs of The Gnostic Movement, the organization I am apart of, called us a dangerous cult, referred to the people within this community as being brainwashed, and have written many demeaning, destructive lies about Belzebuub our spiritual teacher, etc. Your actions and hate campaign have negatively impacted many of the people in this communities lives, causing problems within families and making it very difficult to publicly practice the spiritually we choose.
On this site, we have not attacked you, we have finally defended ourselves against your harmful lies and have given our side of the story. We have shared our experiences of working with you and Vernon and have given facts about the lies you told about The Gnostic Movement. Our accounts and experiences have exposed your lies and questionable actions.
To me it looks like our defense- this website and our accounts, is distressing you, looking at your posts here and on your hate site.
So we’re both in the situation where each of us is distressed by what is happening.
Please take what we are saying seriously and consider this as a personal peace offer- Please take down you’re hate site and related content and we will take down this one and this will all be over, and we will all have peace and can move on with our lives.
Hi Barbara,
I want to respond to the points you made. This is a sincere response.
a) It’s unfortunate that you want requests sent to you personally. Since you proactively decided to bring all of these issues out on the internet, that is where they need to be taken care of. This site deals with you and your husband because you are both responsible for instigating a long chain of events that, again, you decided to publish on the internet. We are here to defend against the attacks you began, that’s all. It has nothing to do with hate from this community.
b) We ask for peace because that is what we want. We wish to be left alone in peace. Since you won’t stop attacking us, of course we are going to respond, and of course you’re going to find it distasteful, since you’ve chosen an antagonistic position to us practicing our spirituality and supporting Belsebuub. You may find this insulting but that doesn’t make us wrong . We have every right to defend ourselves with the truth, no matter how hard it is to swallow.
c) The articles here are not hateful or revengeful, and it would be a massive undertaking to try and get all the witnesses who have come forward independently to tell the same story if it weren’t the truth. The facts and testimonies from all these people add up. So, I think it is no problem to request for you to stop here, on a site where people are honestly posting what they witnessed.
d) Barbara, in all honesty, the last thing on my mind over the past two years has been lying about you or trying to harm you and your husband. It’s not something I wake up in the morning thinking about; I don’t have some compelling need to get to you. The only reason I’m here is because I have a deep respect for the spiritual, and I’m very, very concerned by your actions. You’ve acted in such a way as to bulldoze over something sacred, and personally I feel it would be wrong to sit by quietly while you do this. If I know the truth to be different than what you say it is, well then, I feel it’s my responsibility to say what I know.
Regarding the other points you made:
-This request for you to stop is very serious. I’m not joking and I know that others are reaching out to ask you to stop sincerely as well.
-Mark Pritchard/ Belsebuub hasn’t put us up to anything. Like I mentioned before, I’m here because I want to speak up and ask you to stop, and I want the truth out there to combat the lies on your blog. It’s not accurate for you to imply that Mark makes us do this.
-It feels pretty far fetched to me to say that your blog is there for the purpose of warning people. I’m not trying to be rude but any rational person would have stopped posting long, long ago if all they wanted to do was warn others from a perceived threat. The fact that you’re still going, and the content that you post about, and the lines that you cross, means that it’s become a personal vendetta to you. Yes, we are here posting as well, but only to defend against the havoc you’ve caused, and all the lives that you continue to hurt.
I think you’re right that our behavior and actions speak for themselves. I’m not ashamed of that.
Barbara, I consider that your perception has become almost totally warped by hurt pride and its resultant anger.
In your own words you said you felt you left The Gnostic Movement with a stain on your name.
If there was any stain it was only by your own actions, not that anyone gossiped about you or Vernon despite what you try to claim.
We really did hope and pray at the time that you and Vernon would one day return to The Gnostic Movement given enough time.
Your revengeful and deceitful smear campaign which is more and more exposed here on this site has only added to that stain a hundred fold and now its there for all the public to see, not just this community. Evidently and understandably this pains you. You cannot save any face except to take down the hate site and we will no longer need to defend against you like this. If not, I will continue out of my own free will and sense of justice to add my voice to the truth which exposes your harmful smear campaign.
I echo the sentiments of the community here too, Barbara.
Its quite absurd how you have managed to deceive yourself completely throughout your hate campaign to the point that you now are crying wolf, when it is you who has instigated an unrelenting hate campaign. You have made a public attack for over 2 years now, but you want everyone to respect your right to privacy, while you have trashed others. This is irrational and illogical thinking.
Its also absurd to call a self defence an attack, and then attack others and call it self defence; this shows to me that you have lost your grip on reality completely.
Not only have you caused harm to innocent people and deprived people of the ability to learn about spirituality without fear, but you have with your own hands caused yourself to lose grip of basic common sense.
Your whole language in your postings here and on your site seems to indicate a twisted mindset. It seems to me that your insatiable hatred has made you go very strange. Perhaps you thought that by hating others in the way that you have that it will destroy them, but where there is peace in other’s hearts, then your hate will only destroy you.
I hope that in some way you can come to your senses. In all honesty Barbara abandon your hatred, remove your hate site and move on with your life.
I’ve found all of the responses to Barbara’s comments to be very clear and very well expressed, and everyone has done an amazing job to bring reality to this madness.
Thank you for your sincere comments which gives strength to our community to stand firm in the defense of our teachings and our spiritual teacher.
Yes, I second your comment John and everyone has done a great job here.
Hi Barbara,
Mark hasn’t ever made me do anything, least of all speak the truth in defense of myself and the community I love.
I like the idea of ending all this in peace. Do you?
Can you think of things you would rather be doing than continuing this? I sure can. I hope you can to.
The offer to end this peacefully is a serious one. Please don’t disregard it as a joke simply because Mark hasn’t approached you. Please allow us the respect at least to deal with us and work towards an end to this pointless back and forth.
Sincerely.
Thank you everyone for making all your points so very honestly and most of all, clearly and simply expressed. It is very positive to see people in this community being able to defend themselves, these teachings, Belsebuub and The Gnostic Movement is a very direct and sincere manner without resorting to insults, mockery, or sarcasm or lies, deceit or misinformation.
Barbara, in addition to what others have said here, I urge you to reflect on what your pride has driven you to do and also allow others to do via your website. Not only have you created this vehicle which has allowed so many lies, deceit, misinformation, ignorance and hatred to be spread, you, and this is truly the saddest of all, have also very willingly allowed the teachings to be completely trashed, mocked, misrepresented, sneered at etc., – those wonderful teachings that have existed since time began for all of humanity to access so that they have the chance to awaken consciousness, see the wonders of life and the universe, experience the true connection with the Divine. Why did you allow this to happen? Do you not realise the harm that you and Vernon, and others involved have caused? Do you really despise these teachings so much? If you are no longer interested in practising these teachings then so be it. You know very well that is a serious matter for each individual to decide; no one can come along and force anything upon you. Going against a person’s will is considered to be a very harmful thing from a spiritual point of view. Why then do you think you have the right to stop others from practising and sharing these teachings freely and openly? Don’t you see that this is not something that you have the right to decide upon? Please understand the gravity of this matter and put an end to this campaign against Belsebuub, this community, the teachings and TGM.
Again, as others have said before me here, I write this because I feel it is the right thing to do.
I write here because I want to defend the good name of Belsebuub, TGM, these teachings and also this community.
I write here because I want join and echo everyone else that feels it is right and just to respond to many list of lies and false accusations that you have made over these past two years and allowed to stay on your website.
It write here because I choose to.
I write because I feel part of this community and support its right defend itself from lies, deceit, misinformation, misrepresentation, mockery and deception.
I write here because I hope that you read our words and feel the urge to reflect sincerely upon your actions and motivations.
Finally, I write here because I bear you no grudges, I feel no hatred toward you; I only wish and hope that you will realise the harm that your actions have caused so many people and that you wish to put an end to this.
As I said, I am certainly not going to do any favours for people who endlessly try to insult me – lost grip of reality, evil, twisted, unbalanced, strange, etc. etc. Seems pretty clear to me you are not sincerely interested in peace… Rather, I think you all seem to enjoy what you are doing here. It gives you a sense of purpose, in a strange sort of way. So I will leave you to it.
It is useful for the gnostic freedom site to remain anyway. It shows the newcomers the way you write and behave and at least then they know what they are getting involved in. That is all I want.
But I’ll repeat again, that Mark is free to contact me by email to discuss these matters and talk through this conflict. It’s up to him if he wants a resolution or not.
It is useful for the Gnostic Freedom site to remain Barbara. It allows me to expose the MLM/pyramid scheme you are involved in which has an ex-felon founder. A founder who has been convicted of credit card fraud, larceny, spent time in jail, and in November 2011 had a $37.6 million fine upheld against him because of his deceptive infomercials.
Please stop moralizing and drop the act, because your MLM/pyramid scheme involvement has been exposed. The main people behind your MovementsofGnostics pyramid scheme linked hate site are involved in the same MLM/pyramid scheme. That includes you, your husband “Vernon” and his business associate “Jake” and their company ChannelDoubler.
You cannot convincingly cry “cult”, when you’re in a suspect operation described as a scam and a “kooky cult” itself. To call your conduct hypocritical would be an understatement.
I have already written a few things to expose the truth about the
MovementsofGnostics & ChannelDoubler MLM/Pyramid Scheme Connection in comments on a page on this site.
I will be writing more about this soon, with the chief aim of bringing further exposure to this issue.
Relax N.I.G., I know you are excited about your research but your ‘facts’ are not up to date. Please forgive me for not updating you on developments with regards to our personal interests and hobbies but I am no longer involved in the group you speak of. We participated in it for a short period for the purpose of enjoying the member benefits. We travelled around the world listening to top speakers about natural health, memory training, professional development, martial arts and many other subjects and we had a great time and so did many others we know. It is not a pyramid scheme but a perfectly legal structure that uses affiliate marketing as its form of advertising.
As for the ex-felon, you are quite right. One out of the thirty speakers did indeed get convicted of such a crime as a teenager, some 30+ years ago. It’s a good thing that we don’t judge people based on past actions as we believe people are able to change. I am aware that some of your Teachers have also been involved in crimes before they were part of your group. Yet you are quite happy to work alongside them and have them teach others. I guess you also believe that a person’s past does not always dictate their future.
I will not be wasting any further time with this.
I noticed that all of a sudden, after coming under scrutiny here, hasty changes have been made to the webpages which exposed your involvement in this MLM operation/pyramid scheme. It is only in the last few days that these sudden changes have been made. You would not be trying to cover things up, would you?
Nevertheless, on two active Meetup pages for the Greek and Scottish divisions of this MLM operation, you are still an organizer for one, and a co-organizer for another – all you did was change your name to “Admin”. That does not look like being “no longer involved” to me, rather it looks like someone try to hide their involvement.
And on the Greek website for this MLM operation/pyramid scheme (which displays at the bottom that it has been developed by Channeldoubler) your husband “Vernon” and his Channeldoubler associate “Jake” have suddenly removed their profiles from the “About Us” page. But a page is still up on that site showing Vernon speaking to an audience at an event aimed at recruiting people. Also both you and Vernon still have testimonials on the site, and Vernon and Jake’s company ChannelDoubler is still offering “free websites” to new recruits. It does not look like they are no longer involved to me.
Everyone has already seen your websites after I began exposing this. People are not that silly that they are going to believe your announcement, right when this matter has come under scrutiny, that your involvement has suddenly ceased. It seems to me that you are ashamed of your involvement and are trying to hide it.
But if you have really left now, then it is clear that you did so because of the scrutiny here and could not answer to it. Why else would you leave when you were “enjoying” so many “member benefits” like receiving the secrets of the “Illuminati” and “The Brotherhood”?
Even if it is to be believed that you have left, the hypocrisy of your actions is still apparent. You would still have been involved in a group described as a “scam” and “kooky cult” which you joined, and now still defend, after persecuting us for being in a cult. You still have the ICSA logo on your website, when ICSA critiques the founder of this MLM operation as well as schemes which have “legal structures” that use “affiliate marketing” (otherwise known as Multi Level Marketing or pyramid schemes when there is no tangible product being sold).
Regarding the ex-felon founder, I do not think you read my post very carefully when you claimed I was judging him for things he did 30 years ago. All I did was report facts about him, and I clearly said: “In November 2011 he had a $37.6 million fine upheld against him because of his deceptive infomercials.”
November 2011 is not 30 years ago, it is 8 months ago (and you remained a firmly entrenched participant and defender of this MLM operation and its founder when this occurred). The other background information I gave was accurate too. The historical facts don’t change with time, or with each retelling of the story.
If you thought that your sudden announcement and hasty web updates would stop further inquiry into your links to this MLM/pyramid scheme, then you are unfortunately mistaken. You tell us that you “really don’t care” about what we write anyway, so I guess you won’t be “wasting any further time” with another feeble response. Please understand that we are not as stupid and gullible as you seem to think we are.
A parting remark…
Do you really think I would alter my hobbies and interests based on something you’ve said?
Please don’t flatter yourself.
Re the fine, he was never convicted nor required to pay it, you should check your facts from a reliable source.
Lets look at logic for a moment though. If I were to decide to launch a court case of sexual harassment against Mark and Edith Pritchard, no doubt you would maintain that the launching of a case was not proof of guilt. I guess you would want to know the outcome of the case before deciding that.
As for our reason for ceasing, frankly it’s none of your business.
Good points N-I-G, I concur.
Barbara, you keep coming here to try and save face but also say you don’t care what we say and that you don’t want to waste any more time with us. Yet, clearly you do care that you are being exposed and you feel compelled to post here to try to cover it up, not that you do a good job of it, quite the opposite I think.
Of course we have a sense of purpose in posting here. How does stating that in any way detract from the truth you force us to expose with your smear campaign?
Your attempts to put people off our exposition is farcical as far as I’m concerned.
You really have become so inverted from the person I used to know.
I see your username on the MOG site as symbolic of that.
Well said, NIG.
Barbara, this whole thing with the pyramid scheme is so shady. It does not make sense that someone would align with an anti-cult association one minute and then participate in the kind of scheme that the association suggests is a cult in another.
While it goes without saying, the backtracking and attempts to cover-up are really obvious…to everyone.
Just as one example, anyone can go on the Federal Trade Commission’s website, and find recent court orders about the ex-felon. For example, in 2008, a judge described him as unreliable and untruthful.
His sophisticated crimes do not resemble teenage rebellion. No one would get that impression.
NIG, thanks so much for exposing this and for persisting to get the truth out about this highly relevant MLM business.
To add to N-I-G, I also have noticed Barbara’s real name linked to her new ‘Admin’ name in comments posted on these meetups.
Sadly, a lot of people have been affected by Barbara and Vernon’s work in the pyramid scheme which I don’t think suggests she was just in for the ‘members benefits’ but instead, it seems like she was an active recruiter, especially taking up the ‘Admin’ role of the Meetups. Many familiar faces are posted on the profile page of the organisation and meetup pages which to me suggests recruitment from Barbara, Vernon or Jake, such as old friends, lawyers, media relations etc.. who have almost all affiliated with them considerably in the attacks against Belzebuub and TGM, which to me seems like some ”personal favours” were done to help Barbara and Vernon along their way.
You bet it’s useful to have Gnostic Freedom. It’s ousted you in so many ways.
I forgot to mention, this Meetup comment to Barbara, is thanking Barbara for all her help and arrangements as a new recruit (where the name of the meetup has not been changed in the users original notes) Secondly, it shows how Barbara and Vernon continue to have their friends doing their work and supporting ”the ongoing-self-loving-authoritarian bosses”
When will all the coworkers, friends and partners of Barbara and Vernon finally realise how unauthentic their relationship is to them? Its all a show to get what they want. Its all about the facade, the smiles, the boosting of your egos, to get something from you, to make you think they like their friends that clean up after them, that do their errands for them, that upload their articles for them etc… I have seen this so often with Vernon especially, and I know he has hurt some of his closest friends. Who will be next?
THE GREAT BARBARA MLM/PYRAMID SCHEME COVERUP
I am “flattered” Barbara that my posts have had such an effect on you that you cannot hold back from responding to me despite repeatedly claiming you won’t.
All these frantic changes you are making are happening very suddenly. Since my last post exposing your continued involvement in the MLM/Pyramid Scheme you made EVEN MORE SUDDEN CHANGES to the websites to cover things up. These are some of the hurried modifications you made since my last post where I had exposed your continued involvement:
• After I pointed out you had just changed your organizer and co-organizer name to “Admin” on the Greek and Scottish Meetup pages, you removed yourself as a co-organizer from the Scottish Meetup page. But you are still the organizer named “Admin” for the Greek Meetup, and in a comment someone is still responding to you by your first name. Will you remove that comment now to cover things up?
• You also abruptly CHANGED THE NAME of the Greek meetup page to “Success, Health & Wellbeing”. But the content on the page is still all about the same MLM/Pyramid Scheme. All you did was change the title and the URL, while leaving all the same content. Not very convincing. We’ve already seen the site before you changed the name. As if we are going to believe you are no longer involved just because you changed the meetup title…
• After pointing out in my last post that your testimonial was still on the official website for the Greek Division of the MLM/Pyramid Scheme, your testimonial and Jake’s testimonial were hastily removed. (If anyone out there hasn’t read them, they could still do so in Google cache if they haven’t seen it pre-Barbara cover up)
• After I pointed out the advertisement on the page of the Greek website offering people to get their own MLM/pyramid scheme website with ChannelDoubler, the advertisement was hastily removed. It is still written at the bottom of the website however: “this website was developed by Channeldoubler”.
• Vernon’s testimonial is still on the official Greek site, and he and his Channeldoubler associate “Jake” are still listed as contacts with their phone numbers on the “contact us” page. Are you going to remove this information now too Barbara, after I have mentioned it? I hope you do, as it will allow me to further expose your cover-up.
You asked me if I really think you would alter my hobbies and interests based on something you’ve said? I never suggested you altered your “hobbies” as you called them, I suggested you have tried to cover them up, which is glaringly obvious. Are you trying to divert the issue from your cover-up by asking suggestive questions and responding to them yourself?
In your haste to make frantic internet changes and respond to me as part of your cover up, you did not actually address the points I made. Your point on the founder’s $37.6 million fine is a clear attempt to divert attention with tricky semantics. As explained on Wikipedia his, “activities have been the subject of both criminal and civil action”. It was a civil action not a criminal action in which the $37.6 fine was upheld, so of course technically speaking, there was no ‘conviction’. There was a civil judgement in which the $37.6 million fine was upheld for misleading consumers with deceptive infomercials. The decision in this case against your founder was reached in November 2011, so your argument about not assuming a person’s guilt before the outcome of a trial is invalid and specious. The court’s own ruling can be read online, along with news reports on the court’s ruling, and a report on the FTC website. I have read one of the judge’s own comments saying the $37.6 fine was “conservative”.
Everyone has read about your founder so I don’t think you are fooling anyone. I am glad however that you made this point because it allows me to further expose the deceptive manner in which you twist and manipulate facts to cast doubt in people’s minds and divert the issue from the facts.
Your point about filing an action against Mark and Edith is clearly a veiled threat, but an empty one, because you have absolutely no case for legal action whatsoever.
Finally, I would like to say that you seem very attached to this MLM/pyramid scheme for someone who wants to convince everyone you have left it behind. It is striking that you have made more of an attempt to defend the founder of this MLM operation here then you have to defend yourself.
Barbara… you keep making posts here announcing that you don’t care what we say and that you’re going to leave us to it, but you just can’t help yourself, can you? It’s especially revealing that of all the facts that have been exposed about what you have done, including the sudden abandonment of your MLM/pyramid scheme, all you do is defend the founder of your scheme and the charges laid against him. Very telling, no?
Although the facts about your MLM/pyramid scheme founder are correct, you are trying to argue the point simply to deflect the attention away from you. You’re trying to divert attention from the resounding evidence that shows you have made an attempt to quickly distance yourself from this pyramid scheme after realising that ‘no one likes a scammer’. How would you be able to play the victim and get any sympathy from people if it were found out that you are scamming people and charging them hefty initiation fees to get “secret” information that only the ‘rich and powerful’ know? The fact is though, that your efforts to conceal information and rewrite history have been sloppy, and the evidence is still there that you and your husband are most definitely still involved in this pyramid scheme scam. I would point out what you have ‘missed’ in your recent cover-up, but what would be the fun of that? I’ll leave it to you to find out…and remove…then there will be further evidence to show how you’re covering things up, which is great.
Speaking of logic, it looks like you’ve run out of it. Were you hoping that by mentioning the words “court case” that you could intimidate and silence us? Sorry, that’s not going to work, logic would state that you don’t have a case to launch, period. It wouldn’t even get into the vicinity of a court room because you have no evidence to begin with, and your false allegations have all been exposed.
I’ll just add as well that they removed pictures of themselves on the Meet-Up group, where you could see “Vernon” being the presenter, talking with a slideshow behind him, and “Barbara” standing next to him, while everyone else were sitting. The pix were taken in a luxurious hotel, and the description “explained” that the group was for exclusive members only.. And they were the admin people of that group..
No sign of the price tag to get this exclusive membership though.. I guess you need to attend to be told.. Sounded very fishy to me..
These pictures were also taken down.. And Vernon removed his affiliation with it.. Strange isn’t it?
I guess they don’t want people to realize the Truth.. yet once again, it continues to come out..
I’m just still shocked honestly that after all this, they would end up getting into this type of thing… an MLM/Pyramid scheme.. This is really low, and vulture like..
And please, I’m not trying to insult anyone.. but it is just such a vulture type of behavior and tactic.. A way to make money through using people.. all based on false premise.
It just really shows you the type of people behind these attacks, and their integrity..
I’m just really sad to see them doing this.. You know even through all this hatred, I was hoping for them to at least have some type of “nice life” to move on to, but then if your hobbie is about getting involved in an MLM/Pyramid scheme.. then I can’t imagine the life on the “other-side” that Barbara talks about.
Even in my life pre-spirituality, I would not have done such a thing. I won’t pretend I was or am an angel, but doing something like this no way….
I remember even once when someone we knew had encountered a person that was robbing people of their retirement with phony investments, and pocketed in; he was on the FBI wanted list, I was completely for to have this person reported.. It was sad and such a vulture-like behavior again, to rob these people, as that person was actually going to older communities and making the people people believe he was investing for them..
A lot of many good points you raise N-I-G…
Quite right N-I-G, you pointed out all the areas where I needed to remove myself and saved me the trouble. Isn’t that what normally happens when a person stops an activity? And for information, I deregistered months ago but have been too busy to update pages – my apologies I didn’t realise it was so important to you. You say that you present truth here, but yet you make accusations based only on suppositions and erroneous beliefs.
You accuse us of doing things to make money when everything we did was for free. We did it merely because we wanted to share something we enjoyed but no doubt you will accuse us of other motives or tell me I’m lying. Such is your way.
It’s funny, you all insult me for not defending myself, saying I must be incapable of responding and that by ignoring your accusations it must mean I’m guilty. Then when I do respond and tell you the facts, that I am no longer involved in a group, you all just tell me I’m lying anyway. So whatever I do, I must be guilty. This is the exact narrow-minded thinking and rationalising that precisely defines a cult member, and yet, you all still don’t see it…
Well said Gabrielle:
” Barbara, this whole thing with the pyramid scheme is so shady. It does not make sense that someone would align with an anti-cult association one minute and then participate in the kind of scheme that the association suggests is a cult in another. ”
To me this demonstrates its not about Barbara crying ”cult” or not, Barbara seems to love the idea of being in a cult anyway, administrating the Pyramid Scheme she’s so deeply involved in, her and Vernon’s actions seem to address standard cultic tactics of overpowering people, demeaning them, acting very strangely with bizarre guru type scenarios, and manipulating people to fear them such as the accounts Witness R clearly outlined. While Barbara works on her fake image of the ‘nice girl’, I believe her underhanded motivations to take control and make people do as she pleases is her first priority.
This being said, her classifying people she dislikes as being in a cult is just another of the overplayed tactics she uses in her hate campaign, she’ll go to any nasty means, make up any fantasy, any far fetched lie, so that any grip of her hatred can be untleashed to portray our group in a bad light, driven by her own disorderly ego-loving conduct.
Barbara is scrambling for anything she can find, making up lies as she has done from her initial mental breakdown when asked to leave The Gnostic Movement, once believing herself in the highest esteem but brought to the lowest point of needing to face the reality of all the wrong she has done as a Member.
It is blatantly obvious how much Barbara loves herself, her story, her egos, her fantasies being attached to Mark, exposing her personal life, writing countless articles about herself, thinking she can fool the world to convince them to esteem her in the same contentment she fantasies and glorifies herself.
This is what happens to someone with so much pride. Pride in TGM seemingly innocent, or as Vernon oddly put it: to use it as a tool to help you in your work. But now this is what’s left with Barbara, her remains anyways, and all the esteem she has put on herself. This pride drives her and tears apart all moral conduct and judgment. Its reached beyond madness attacking the very community and people that address the pride that has destroyed her and that is why it is so difficult for her to let go, its her love of herself that keeps her going.
N-I-G, thank you for your excellent summary and observations here and below.
If Barbara was no longer involved in the group as she claims, I wonder why these pages would not simply be shut down.
Instead, the actions you have noted do sound like a hasty and somewhat panicked cover-up to me.
Also, Barbara mentioned that everything they did was for free as part of the MLM group, but when I read the Meetup description, it said membership was encouraged.
What else were these “free” sessions but recruitment exercises to get people to sign up for a paid membership? That’s how MLM schemes work!
N-I-G – thanks so much for exposing all of these cover-up actions. The ensuing “clean-up” by Barbara is very telling as well.
I agree that Gabrielle put it nicely:
“Barbara, this whole thing with the pyramid scheme is so shady. It does not make sense that someone would align with an anti-cult association one minute and then participate in the kind of scheme that the association suggests is a cult in another.”
Barbara, whether you de-registered from this pyramid scheme that sells “illuminati secrets” a few months ago or not is besides the point. The fact that you were a part of, and even an organizer of such a group is what is shocking. On the one hand you go around accusing our group of being a cult, while at the same time you are/were involved in this MLM group whose actions and leader seem to consist of the very things you try and accuse our group of.
As for your last comment:
“It’s funny, you all insult me for not defending myself, saying I must be incapable of responding and that by ignoring your accusations it must mean I’m guilty. Then when I do respond and tell you the facts, that I am no longer involved in a group, you all just tell me I’m lying anyway. So whatever I do, I must be guilty.”
What are the facts you have responded with exactly? That you allegedly quit the MLM scheme? How does that address what was brought up above in any way? The fact is that you admittedly took an active part in such an organization, which shows very clearly the two-faced nature of your behaviour at this time.
- You accuse us of being in a cult, yet you took part in organizing the kind of group that is termed a cult on ICSA.
- You claim that Belsebuub has been labeled a cult leader by the ICSA (which is untrue), while you yourself took part in a group whose leader has been mentioned and written about at length on the ICSA website.
- You accuse Belsebuub and some of the people in this community of all sorts of false criminal and unethical actions as a validation point for why we shouldn’t be trusted and why we are a cult (again untrue), yet the founder of the group you were/are involved in was actually tried and convicted of criminal behaviour.
- The smear campaign you are behind accuses TGM of running like a cult, “recruiting” people with free courses until they are “hooked” and are then made to donate lots of money, offering people who are “hooked” advanced knowledge, etc. (all untrue), while you were a recruiter for a group that offers free seminars on health, wellness and well-being, which then encourages them to purchase memberships and pay for “illuminati secrets” that are only accessible to the “rich and powerful” and some sort of brotherhood…
How does any of this get washed away by your so called “fact” that you left that group a few months ago?
Very valid points raised and brought to light in this thread.
If Barbara was no longer involved in the group as she claims, I wonder why these pages would not simply be shut down.
Good point Justin. And why would Barbara need to take the trouble to remove herself from the site? It sounds like she is a web administrator or something, doing these updates herself, but why would she be if she is no longer involved? Or does she think by changing her organiser username and the Meetup title it means she is no longer involved? Could it be that she is not “officially” involved anymore but still helps out her husband in this scheme? The website is still up with his name on it as a listed contact, and the site is still published and spruiking the same wares to the public.
Also, Barbara mentioned that everything they did was for free as part of the MLM group, but when I read the Meetup description, it said membership was encouraged.
That is another good point. Their events may be free to suck people in, but the membership they were/are spruiking is not free. It says right now on their website that the price of membership is “$1,000 in initiation dues and $150 per month”, with benefits including gaining access to the “secrets” of “secret societies”.
This is clearly a commercial venture, not just some personal hobby, because they are selling to the public, and that makes this a public matter. Consumers surely have a right to scrutinize commercial ventures and assess the validity of claims being directed toward them in public advertisements. I wonder how many ex members of the “illuminati”, “Brotherhood” or “Bilderberg Group” et al they met while in this MLM venture, which was supposedly formed by such people? Are they able to name one? How valid are the claims they have spruiked to consumers about this MLM scheme?
Barbara, whether you de-registered from this pyramid scheme that sells “illuminati secrets” a few months ago or not is besides the point. The fact that you were a part of, and even an organizer of such a group is what is shocking. On the one hand you go around accusing our group of being a cult, while at the same time you are/were involved in this MLM group whose actions and leader seem to consist of the very things you try and accuse our group of.
Jenny, I thought this was a really important point too. The fact that they were even involved in this scheme while calling us a “cult” speaks volumes about their double standards, duplicity and hypocrisy.
N-I-G, thanks for posting that list of all the places where Barbara keeps trying to remove her link to the MLM scheme. It seems like that list just keeps growing and growing!
You have to wonder why she is suddenly very concerned with not being linked to that organization on the internet.
I think it’s because it leaves her completely discredited in terms of accusing us of being in a cult.
Who actively participates in a pyramid scheme headed up by a guru- type ex-felon, selling illuminati/ brotherhood “secrets” to unsuspecting victims, and at the SAME TIME takes to the internet to accuse her former spiritual group and its teacher of being a cult?
Only someone who is very hypocritical.
I wonder if the reason real reason Barbara does not simply shut down those pages (if she’s no longer involved), is because she is still receiving financial benefits from new people joining?
Well said and very good points N-I-G:
“I noticed that all of a sudden, after coming under scrutiny here, hasty changes have been made to the webpages which exposed your involvement in this MLM operation/pyramid scheme.”
“But if you have really left now, then it is clear that you did so because of the scrutiny here and could not answer to it. Why else would you leave when you were “enjoying” so many “member benefits” like receiving the secrets of the “Illuminati” and “The Brotherhood”?”
“Regarding the ex-felon founder, I do not think you read my post very carefully when you claimed I was judging him for things he did 30 years ago. All I did was report facts about him, and I clearly said: “In November 2011 he had a $37.6 million fine upheld against him because of his deceptive infomercials.”
November 2011 is not 30 years ago, it is 8 months ago”
I think that Barbara doesn’t “dare” to read carefully our comments and testimonials because she doesn’t dare to face her “reality”, of who she and Vernon really are and what are the consequences of their actions.
They prefer to live in their “happy” illusions and obviously as time passes they have more and more illusions.
But what are they really trying do? To hide the sun with their finger. Are they really serious?
They left from TGM, then they accused and seriously harmed Belsebuub, Edith, and many of us and the awesome esoteric teachings of Belsebuub. Now look at the bad and negative results!
As John has said numerous times “I don’t recognize her”. Me too, I don’t recognize them! What a pity!
I think from Barbara’s responses, there is no way to change their minds. They have done so many bad things that it is too difficult for them to recognise all their bad actions.
Sorry Barbara, but despite the seemingly nonchalant tone you have here, your threat is clear. You claim you are “aware that some of your Teachers have also been involved in crimes before they were part of your group” in response to someone pointing out the past convictions and recent multi-million dollar fine of the founder of your MLM scheme – if you think that you will silence us out of fear for what you might say, you are mistaken. These sorts of actions will only highlight the intimidation tactics you are using to the public and further strengthen our resolve to stand up for the truth.
Indeed!!! I totally support this statement and so does my husband.
” if you think that you will silence us out of fear for what you might say, you are mistaken. These sorts of actions will only highlight the intimidation tactics you are using to the public and further strengthen our resolve to stand up for the truth.”
“But I’ll repeat again, that Mark is free to contact me by email to discuss these matters and talk through this conflict. It’s up to him if he wants a resolution or not.”
Well your response then begs the question:
If all you have ever wanted is a resolution, for Mark to contact you directly, speak with you directly, and that is all you have ever pursued, then why the need to create a website that puts our community down, destroys our image in the public, demeans our teachings, which by the way were held in very high regard by you once, defames its members, distorts the reality of past events, etc., etc.
Again, your comment does not follow a logical reasoning and just simply does not add up.
I agree Paty and it is also incredibly farcical to me that Barbara would suggest Mark email her when she has twisted and misquoted his past emails so much to suit her own vengeful smear campaign agenda.
Good point David. She has published so many emails that were sent to her in private from friends and co-volunteers over the years, removed and modified parts, twisted and distorted them until they fit into her story.
Confidential emails that were sent to her were also shared with others outside of the recipient list, and posted on other websites as part of the smear campaign.
At this point, you have to be quite naive to email Barbara anything at all.
And beyond that, what about all of us that her campaign is attacking? It’s almost like blackmailing – seems like an “I’ll deal with you all if your “leader” contacts me”… What an inadequate response from Barbara. As she has attacked and defamed us with all sorts of false and damaging claims and allegations, it is our right to respond to them with the truth.
David & Jenny
Too true. Any correspondence from Mark to Barbara would most likely lead to further distortions and manipulation of facts.
The situation is very unfortunate, Mark has not done anything wrong. We all know from our own experience of his integrity, further reinforced by the testimonies on this site, that he would never act in any of the ways Barbara has accused.
Being fuelled by negativity and hatred, Barbara is unable to see reality. Now she has been backed into a corner where all her lies have been exposed for what they are, and she cannot see a way out but to continue her relentless attack.
The thing is, there is a way out. All she needs do is cease and desist and remove all the offending attacks and hate sites she has created. If she did so, our internet defence would end and she could continue with her life. Could anything be more simple.
Good point Paty!
Indeed Paty, indeed…!
Very important points Paty!
I just wanted to bring up that in this comment:
”for people who endlessly try to insult me – lost grip of reality, evil, twisted, unbalanced, strange, etc. etc”
.. its apparent to me that these are attributes that Barbara has stolen from reading heavily through all our forums and how we described her motivations and behaviour and blatantly reversed them to suit her and re-establish her ‘Victimised Persona”. (Although I don’t remember if anyone openly called her evil..) Therefore it seems quite true that we are back in kindergarten with Barbara continuously twisting our testimonies and comments, and flipping them around at us, incapable of true communication but really acting like this is some childish game. Well it isn’t. This is serious and we are all grown up here. There is no easy way out like children attack in their nasty ways. Hiding behind your anonymity is a false comfort zone Barbara. You have been hiding since the beginning not able to take responsibility for any of your statements.
Honestly, when the truth is clarified against all the wrongs you have done, destroying and discrediting all your lies Barbara, I am very happy for this.
Obviously, Mark will not step into your trap and have his words used against him like you have already chopped up on your MOG site. Unfortunately your attachment to him will not be quenched as you desire. You have to deal with your problems like any normal human being instead of creating a preposterous website rubbishing all of us here.
Barbara you seem to have a strange view point of your predicament:
You have instigated and run a hate campaign for over 2 years now against Mark, Edith and Angela where you have without reason attacked these people’s integrity, reputation, character and this community, and yet you think that you are doing everyone a ‘favour’ if you were to see reason, commonsense and the truth of the matter?
Like you say, your hate campaign has given you “a sense of purpose, in a strange sort of a way’. For you to gain that sense of purpose from the suffering that you are causing others, is to say the least – strange, unbalanced and very dark.
Thankfully we have this site, and I agree with you when you say, “It is useful for the gnostic freedom site to remain anyway. It shows the newcomers the way you write and behave and at least then they know what they are getting involved in.” I think people will know by the way we have written and acted that everyone has a right to freedom of religious belief and that there are people who are willing to fight for it. They will see that there is an integrity, strength and truth to spirituality and that will help them a great deal. They will know that people fight for spirituality for the love of humanity and what a great revelation that will be to all those seeking it, it can only inspire them.
Your last statement to me is the proof in the pudding of what your hate campaign has always been about. You have held Mark to ransom with your websites and hate campaigns so that you can extort him to any demand you conjure up. This last statement alone goes to prove that you have faked a ‘cult story’ and that all your allegations and articles are false. You have created these scenarios in order attack Mark and make him answerable to you. You want Mark to go to you to “discuss these matters and talk through this conflict”, what conflict? It is you who has instigated these hate crimes against Mark and this community, and have victimised and vilified him relentlessly for no reason other than to have one over him. You were asked to leave the organisation because you put people down and demoralised them, your post here goes to prove it and nothing has changed except that you have become worse over the last two years.
Its way overdue Barbara for you to put end to your hatred. There is so much proof now that you have acted to incite hatred against a religious group and individuals unjustifiably, and your posts have formed part of that proof.
Again, I echo the sentiments of this community and as Tone so kindly put it, “I pray that you can find it within yourself to see reason and let it all go and bring your campaign of hatred to an end.”
Well said Layla, I fully support your words!
“Thankfully we have this site, and I agree with you when you say, “It is useful for the gnostic freedom site to remain anyway. It shows the newcomers the way you write and behave and at least then they know what they are getting involved in.” I think people will know by the way we have written and acted that everyone has a right to freedom of religious belief and that there are people who are willing to fight for it. They will see that there is an integrity, strength and truth to spirituality and that will help them a great deal. They will know that people fight for spirituality for the love of humanity and what a great revelation that will be to all those seeking it, it can only inspire them.”
I couldn’t agree with you more, Layla.
Layla, I totally echo what you said. And like you, I am happy to see that we have this site, because indeed “Barbara”, it shows what type of people we are:
- Level-headed
- clear & coherent
- Logical
- defending the truth
- not ready to be bullied
- held the truth of personal matters for 2 years until it had to be talked about because you continued to harass and lie about us (not our choice, but yours)
- many, many testimonies who all bring about the same facts making the truth stand strong and unflinching, unlike all the lies and accusations of your hate site that are based on complete false assumptions and have no real back-up.
and so much more..
- and more facts about your continuous lack of integrity with your MLM/Pyramid scheme affiliations.. (sad to see it was a hobbie you “enjoyed”, but then seeing gnostic centers closing and stopping people from practicing also brought you “joy”.. quite dark wouldn’t you agree at least?)
Yes, Barbara, you said one thing right: it is indeed very useful for people to see how we have “reacted” to your lies: peacefully, no hate, no lies, and we still even pray that you move one peacefully and that you come back to your sense..
To top it off, I’m sure that if people visit both sites, they can tell which one makes them feel “hate” and which one makes sense and is true.
”To top it off, I’m sure that if people visit both sites, they can tell which one makes them feel “hate” and which one makes sense and is true.”
I concur, Barbara’s site is an obvious ranting website that leaves a very bad taste in your mouth, exaggerated assumptions along with many crude insults and sensationalist outcries all around.
This website exists alone to defend ourseves from her smears, and there is nothing but logical and coherent testimonies to speak out against her in our own right to defend ourselves from what Barbara instigated herself.
”You want Mark to go to you to “discuss these matters and talk through this conflict”, what conflict? It is you who has instigated these hate crimes against Mark and this community, and have victimised and vilified him relentlessly for no reason other than to have one over him. You were asked to leave the organisation because you put people down and demoralised them, your post here goes to prove it and nothing has changed except that you have become worse over the last two years. ”
Great points Layla!
“This website exists alone to defend ourseves from her smears, and there is nothing but logical and coherent testimonies to speak out against her in our own right to defend ourselves from what Barbara instigated herself.”
I could not agree more with you Olga. I think this site really puts things in perspective for the new people so they can judge for themselves.
Everytime I read Barbara’s post I can almost feel the hatred and it is terrible. But I think it is necessary as her responses will allow people to judge for themselves. Her site really reminds me of other site that were against the TGM at that time. I always thought they were a joke as people who practise spirituality would not act in this way.
On her site we see the same hypocrisy where she makes all the statements about TGM and Belsebuub being a cult and then she and her her husband are involved in a Pyramid Scheme and are actually organizers of it in two countries. I sometimes find it hard to comprehend how someone can have such a double standard.
Barbara,
I don’t get why you keep coming back to Mark contacting you. It’s so weird.
After your track record of distorting information and double-crossing people, it seems pretty far out there that you’d expect Mark to contact you. Why would he contact you? So you can cause even more damage to him and this community?
I feel like you just say this because you know that he’s not going to fall for that trap, and therefore it’s just the kind of demand you like to end your posts with. It’s the perfect thing to ask for, because either:
a) he contacts you, and you (in keeping with your track record) twist and warp whatever he says for your smear campaign
b) he doesn’t contact you (no surprise) and you now feel justified in going on and on about how you would have taken down your site, but you never got what you asked for, no one really wants to work with you, etc.
Even just reasoning through this one example, it’s clear your request is not an honest, sincere attempt to heal anything. It’s just another calculated scheme which would lead to more pain and suffering for all of us, if the bait is taken.
You said it well Dara. After the way she has betrayed, double-crossed and attacked him publicly, I can understand why Mark would not contact Barbara. Just like I can understand why a person would not stick their head in the jaws of a beckoning tiger.
Rightly so Dara.
Barbara, please rest assured that no one is asking you to do any “favours” as you state, we are actually asking you to do the right thing in ceasing this defamation and harassment. I realise that you are upset by the information on this website because it reveals things about you and your husband which you’d prefer to keep discrete, but I believe it’s necessary as long as your site remains up to allow people to see the other side of the story and make an informed decision about the accusations you have made. Remember, you started this whole saga when you publicly vilified us, without even so much as contacting us to try to resolve any issues you may have had before launching this scathing attack.
Regarding your request for Mark to contact you privately by email to “talk through this conflict”, I am not surprised that you are craving this contact from Mark, it was evident even before you left TGM. But I think it’s a bit too late for private emails now given the lengths you have gone to publicise your personal issues. You have also taken bits and pieces from private emails and published them to present a very biased account, so any trust that people may have had in you is gone. To try to move this discussion behind closed doors after you made it public for so long appears disingenuous.
Thank you Sabah for being able to state so clearly what I also feel..
Well stated Sabah!
Thanks for that Sabah.
It seems Barbara is looking for more information as she has run out of things to say, while at the same time, obviously wants to continue her campaign to harm our reputation as individuals and as a collective, and ultimately as a consequence, to harm us in general (if she didn’t, why is her site still up despite having seen its damaging effects on people, etc.). We keep asking her to take responsibility for the actions that people have committed against us as a result of her campaign, yet as evidenced by her smear campaign, she refuses to even take responsibility for her own actions and decisions while part of TGM – how much less so for her actions, decisions, and their consequences now!
“To try to move this discussion behind closed doors after you made it public for so long appears disingenuous.”
You’re right – she wants it both ways. First having attacked Mark’s reputation in particular through the spam emails she sent around, and having not gotten a response from the members (since everyone could see that most of the claims and allegations were gossip-like, obviously missing crucial information/the full context and story, or blatantly false), then went out to try her luck on the web and in public, putting all sorts of private and personal information about herself out there in the process. It is clear she doesn’t like that people have finally spoken up against this madness and have defended themselves, and wants to bring it back behind closed doors as you say for good reason – because it’s out in the open now what’s gone on and people are going to know the truth about it.
“Regarding your request for Mark to contact you privately by email to “talk through this conflict”, I am not surprised that you are craving this contact from Mark, it was evident even before you left TGM. But I think it’s a bit too late for private emails now given the lengths you have gone to publicise your personal issues. You have also taken bits and pieces from private emails and published them to present a very biased account, so any trust that people may have had in you is gone. To try to move this discussion behind closed doors after you made it public for so long appears disingenuous.”
Your so right in what you say Sabah, I remember when this took place.
How can Barbara seriously believe that Belsebuub would fall for such a trap.
I want to make a point on the last point Barbara raised.
It’s stated that is has been 2 Years already and this is still going on, except that now there’s no TGM to say “look at them”. As I said before, no one in the TGM that I spoke/wrote to ever mentioned all this was going on, for long time the people involved of TGM really kept discretion on the matter. And now I understand why, this is not something pleasant to be talking about. As I said I personally don’t care what they do with their lives, nor I wish them harm.
The issue that concerns me now is that EK has also been labelled as a “Cult” in their site when they (the skilled and well structured writers behind the hate site) have run out of topics because there’s no TGM to say “Look at them” and without anything else to write, nothing new, they have turned now to say Oh! now look at them also! not only EK but a big list of new groups popping up around the world.
The following quote: “These groups … follow the same tactics of mind control, emotional abuse and power that have been described in great detail in the stories on this blog” is called defamation and is not legal.
Sorry but I haven’t spent the last 2 years trying to harm Barbara and Vernon. I’ve never met Vernon, I’ve only met Barbara long time ago. I remember she was a really good Teacher, during her lectures I remember how clear she was and how objectively everything was explained. The other thing that I also noticed in Barbara were her eyes, there was a very bright spark , wide awake, peaceful, joyful. Looking at the eyes of people has always been one of the most important things for me in regards to credibility.
What I noticed too was that when Barbara was teaching, there was never a push to implant ideas or force opinions in the group, neither was this excitement or loudness that some public speakers use to motivate people during their talks. Now, the quote above sounds to me like yelling in the market trying to sell their ideas at whatever cost.
Is also not true that I was instructed by Belsebuub to write here, I’ve only met him once, for less than 3 hours and 5 years ago; and I can testify that he had absolutely nothing to do with the formation of EK, therefore he’s not responsible of contacting you in regards to a peaceful resolution on taking your false accusations down about EK and all the other different groups.
If you really really want to help people, why don’t you go and help the poor, or teach how to read and to count, or maybe give classes on how to write persuasive articles at universities, I promise I won’t persecute you, nor judge you, nor criticize you.
So peacefully I request the people behind the MOG site to please remove any defamation, libel or false accusation about EK and any other group labelled on your site as “Cult” including TGM and Belsebuub. It’s wrong to do that. I’m sure that the people behind this site will stand by their word and take this site down as soon as you remove yours, enough damage has been done.
Thank you so much for your response Priscilla. You have made very good points about the insistence of the MOG site in calling our new groups ‘Cults’, involved in mind control, emotional abuse, etc. You are totally correct, those baseless allegations are totally defamatory and illegal.
Problem is as well, there is not one shred of evidence on which to hinge their argument – truly, where is the evidence for this allegation?
I support everything you have said Priscilla!
The EK group has never sat around a table and plotted to start a spiritual group in order to use “tactics of mind control, emotional abuse and power”. Nor did ever the former TGM or Mark Pritchard/Belzebuub. And for what purpose would that be for anyway? To get rich scamming people to pay for membership and information but no real product like Barbara’s MLM/Pyramid foolery? You gotta be joking!
We are genuine and sincere spiritual seekers, that is all. And we are not afraid to speak up for the truth when our basic human right for religious freedom is attacked.
Well said David!
Hi Barbara,
Of course we’re serious. We’re very serious about our sincere and heart felt pleas to you to please, for the sake of us all, including yourself and Vernon, take down your website, let go of your hatred, and get on with your life. And let us all peacefully get on with ours, and practice our spirituality as we should be free to do so, without this ridiculous and vicious harassment from you, your husband and the handful of people who’ve chosen to join with you. Let in all go! Hatred and anger are such horrible energies to harbour, not to mention the damage you are doing to yourself by the constant perpetration of a barrage of lies and deception. Let it go! And be at peace.
These requests from us all are not made with any kind of malice or ill feeling what so ever. All we wish is that you put an end to your campaign.
If even a fraction of what you have said in your numerous postings was true, wouldn’t you expect to find at least some degree of negativity in the postings on this site? And yet the accounts, articles and postings by all who have contributed here have been very calm, and non-accusatory, merely stating the truth and the shock, horror, sadness and shear amazement at some of the things that people have endured at yours and Vernon’s hands.
It must be pretty obvious to any sane, rational person reading the witness accounts, articles and postings on this site that this community is composed of very level headed, honest, peaceful human beings, interested only in spiritual growth and helping other like-minded individuals in the same pursuit.
The more that your barrage of lies and hatred continues the more sad and ridiculous it looks. You’re only making yourself look worse by continuing. As Matthew has said, “Barbara’s comments appear increasingly erratic and nonsensical to me”. I’d have to agree.
Please give it up. And, as you can see by the responses here, we would have no need to continue. We have absolutely no interest pursuing anything more than to practice our spirituality in peace.
Barbara, no one in this community has lied about either you or Vernon. There is no danger that you need to “warn” people about. And Mark Pritchard has at no time made any requests to anyone to write anything in either his defence or in the defence of the Gnostic Movement.
The treatment of you and your husband by this community has been very fair and reasonable, especially in light of the vicious attacks of hatred and lies you chose to instigate. It would be fair to say that the overall nature of the handling of the situation by this community is testament to its good nature, tolerance and compassion.
People were reluctant to convey specific details of actual events and only felt compelled to do so when there was no option left but to speak out in defence and counter the lies you and Vernon have chosen to perpetrate. Only when your attacks did not cease, as was initially hoped, was the need felt to defend the community, Mark, Edith, Angela and the teachings, by telling the truth in response to a barrage of slanderous, false accusations, as any reasonable person would, and indeed has the right to do so.
Barbara, as someone who has known you since my first days in the Gnostic Movement, and admired the energy with which you applied yourself to helping other people, and indeed benefited greatly from the support you passed on to me at times, I’ve been both saddened and bewildered by your behaviour since this whole saga initially began to unfold, and have become progressively more so as the true accounts of events have come to light.
What happened!? Why did you do all this? Couldn’t you just learn from your mistakes, pick yourself up and keep pushing forward? Events have a beginning, a middle and an end. Why did you feel the need to be so destructive? Even bad situations pass. As has been related above by both Witness R and also John, it’s been said that, “the only door that never closes is the door of repentance”. And also, “There is more joy in the heart of one repentant sinner than in the hearts of 1000 righteous men”. I pray that you can find it within yourself to see reason and let it all go and bring your campaign of hatred to an end. Please take down your site and cease the attacks, so we can all get on with our lives in peace.
Well said Tone..
Yes, well said Tone and thank you for stating it so clearly!
I agree with what others have pointed out. And with Dara in: “I think you’re right that our behaviour and actions speak for themselves.”
To Barbara
You said:“”……..people have tried to force me into silence.”” Your website full of lies is still spreading hate, which you continue to actively perpetuate. It has and is still unjustly doing incredible harm to our community in terrible ways. This site only states what happened, in defence of truth. Our request for you to please stop this is therefore NOT “forcing someone into silence.”
I think you know full well that no one here has ever thought of this matter as a joke. And you must realise no one “has been put” anywhere to do anything. We are not brainwashed followers as you desperately try to make us out to be.
““I will repeat what I said, that if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me.”” Seeing your current predicament I can imagine you want contact. However in seeing your past and current actions I have a feeling that this is not to reach a peaceful resolution. But rather to have it serve your bad intentions in some way.
I truly want all this to be over. But you cannot expect us to agree to some sort of compromise that is unjust to the situation. All the articles on your site are full of lies, so a compromise where you (e.g.) remove half of the articles would therefore not be “fair” as a compromise. It is therefore a perfectly reasonable request that you remove your whole website.
““As I said, I really don’t care what you write about me here and clearly you have nothing new to say””
I don’t know what kind of “new” you are expecting. This site simply has the truth written on it and things in defence of it. You admit you have read it, and yet you cannot deny that which is written.
You therefore resort to try to flip the whole situation and make yourself seem as the “good guy”, as the “victim” as the one who courageously keeps going for the sake of “truth”, despite “attacks.” You even go as far as to use our notions and words as if your own, in accusations against us. This worrisome nasty move can cause great confusion to the unbeknownst reader, but certainly even this trick will not fool many for long.
[i]““So I have no motivation to remove my articles. They are there for a purpose and that is to warn people about the type of group you have become and the man who leads you.””[/i] Sorry but you cannot hide behind that claim. That is not why your articles are there. As has been proven crystal clear by the accounts on this website (which you cannot deny) your claims on your website are a complete lie. What you are doing is thus not warning but misleading people. Your articles are up to serve your vengeful vendetta.
Barbara I have nothing against you personally, I feel no real negativity towards you. These few things I’ve written here are not to hurt you. In fact I hope the best possible for you, just like I wish that for all people in the world. I believe what you are doing now is not in the best interest for you, what do you think? It also saddens me to see the harm you are causing to others.
Honestly it would be a shame if you regarded ending this campaign as some kind of defeat. As it would not be, rather it would be something good of you, and for you.
Thanks for the logic and common sense answers here.. I think you pointed something really good as well:
Honestly it would be a shame if you regarded ending this campaign as some kind of defeat. As it would not be, rather it would be something good of you, and for you.
Thanks for your response Karim. It really hits the spot and I hope that it will inspire some sensinsibility and reflections on how harmfull and damaging Barbara’s campaign have been.
So many people have asked Barabara to stop her campaign. We feel no hatred for you Barabara and we only pray that you find peace once again and can just move on to enjoy life. Please stop this nonsense.
@Barbara,
I hope you actually read these comments, instead of immediately assuming they are all personal attacks. Especially these recent comments, I hope you read them carefully.
The recent comments have been quite positive, describing what a caring and genuine teacher you were, when many of us were new to these teachings. Although I’ve never met you in person, I do remember working with you on a couple of projects, with very fond memories.
What Priscilla mentioned is so true. Not only has the campaign of Vernon, yourself, and others destroyed The Gnostic Movement and severely damaged the name of Belsebuub, but now community groups around the world that operate completely independently of Belsebuub have been attacked and labelled as dangerous cults, too. This is horrible beyond words.
And awful as it is, I’m sure with all the momentum your campaign has built up, you may find it very hard to stop it (due to pride, attachments, and so forth).
So, @Barbara, I direct a sincere petition to Your Consciousness, to Your Soul: bring forth that Love for others that once shone so clearly and put an end to your vicious MOG site and related posts. You would make us all so happy and you, too, would be happier for it.
I wish you all the Strength to do so; you can do it.
Barbara, you say that you do not want to be forced into silence. Yet, it seems like so much of your motivation is to get a certain reaction out of Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub).
Are you not trying to FORCE him to acknowledge you in some way that suits you? Are you not trying to FORCE him to obey your demands?
Does it frustrate you that he will not do what you want?
I am not surprised by the outcome. I respect Belsebuub greatly for not giving in to those demands, or falling for the various traps.
The reality is that there are these two websites, and we all could be doing other things with our time. If you were to assume that you will not get whatever it is you want from Belsebuub, then what would be the best course of action?
As everyone has said, we would all be happy to move on from this, if you remove the website. It is your choice.
If you keep the site, you have to be prepared to take responsibility for what comes of it. You have probably noticed that the site has attracted people who are feeding off of it in various ways. Some appear to be in it for the drama, however, some appear to be extremely angry and unbalanced.
I think you should consider this, and other unintended effects.
“I am not surprised by the outcome. I respect Belsebuub greatly for not giving in to those demands, or falling for the various traps.”
You’re so right Gabrielle with your comment.
Barbara has continuously proven that she cannot be trusted, and I’d say without a doubt this is another ambush. One example which comes to my mind is the ambush of one our teachers on the TV show in Cyprus.
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/persecution-gnostics-in-greece-cyprus/
Excellent point John…!
And indeed, I agree with what Gabrielle has said there:
““I am not surprised by the outcome. I respect Belsebuub greatly for not giving in to those demands, or falling for the various traps.”
Mark can do whatever he likes, as can I. My reason for posting on the MoG site was to expose Mark Pritchard so that others do not fall into the same trap that I did, and have their life seriously harmed as I and many others have. When I decided to speak out, many ex-teachers and students contacted me to say how happy they were that I did and that I expressed what they had wanted to say for so long. Most of them chose not to speak out of fear of repercussions and rightly so. They didn’t want to be harassed, stalked and bullied as I have. Several of them needed long-term therapy to overcome the harm caused during the time they spent in your group, almost all of them lost marriages and had damaged relationships with family and friends. That is why I have done what I have done. As you may have noticed, I have not written any articles about each of you as individuals, because despite the harm you try to cause me and despite my disagreement with your behaviour and your group, my issue is not with you (though clearly I will fight back when attacked). I realise that were I still in your group, I would probably be behaving just like you, and that is the only thing I am ashamed of.
So in answer to your question, there is nothing else that would make me stop, other than to talk through matters with Mark. He leads you all, he influences everything you do and say here, whether direct or indirect, and he maintains the same group atmosphere that has harmed so many people.
And yes, I am prepared to take responsibility for what comes out of my actions. I spoke out knowing what would come against me and I continue to speak out despite everything you do to try to stop me.
Barbara, sorry to say, but the only harm that has come to you has been the blow to your pride when you were asked to leave the organisation, which you desparately tried to re-enter for many months. Only when you realised that the organisation was serious about your departure did you raise your hate campaign. If it really was as bad as you make out, you wouldn’t have tried for a long time to re-enter the organisation.
Its clear to everyone that you have been fighting for your image, and your hurt pride. The details of the harm and deception that you and Vernon et al have caused has been emmense, and thanks to the many witnesses we all know the truth.
When your actions speak louder than words Barbara, I wouldn’t imagine there would be much to talk about. Again its clear that all you want is to hold Mark to ransom and extort him to sooth your wounded pride. No normal, reasonable and balanced person would do what you have done and continue to do.
Well said Layla..!
Well said Layla
“Its clear to everyone that you have been fighting for your image, and your hurt pride. The details of the harm and deception that you and Vernon et al have caused has been immense, and thanks to the many witnesses we all know the truth.”
Barbara, you should be a bit honest. Your and Vernon’s main motivation of this smear campaign is to defend your hurt pride and image. You can’t hide yourself from this.
Seriously harmed? A load of rubbish Barbara. You were a workaholic who overworked yourself.
So you had a negative rant on the internet and a few other negative people patted you on the back for it. All that you said above just confirms your attack and those that have joined in on it have completely lost on a negative tangent.
The kinship I have with my fellow spiritual seekers has not harmed me in any way whatsoever. I totally reject your assertion otherwise as I’m sure many others do too. I make my own decisions and I act out of my own free will as a grown adult. You say it has harmed “so many people” but where are they? All I’ve seen is a handful of people lost on a negative tangent. You’ve got a bit of a penchant for hyperbole haven’t you. Trying to manipulate people through their fear of a “cult”. Presenting things not as they really are seems to be all you ever do. And I thought yesterday you said you were not going to waste any more time with us here and yet here you are back again ranting on with obviously ridiculous comments.
As has been repeated over and over again, we do not wish for there to be a need to expose you but you make it necessary with your smear campaign. All we are doing is rightfully defending against your unjust and harmful attacks, attacks which you initiated, and exposing your hypocrisies in order for people to understand the truth.
I reckon that the oppressive and fanatical group mentality of the Church in Cyprus really is an example of a potentially harmful thing. And yet it suited you to use it to your own ends for your own smear campaign. You are full of hypocrisy and unethical too.
But Barbara, are you prepared to also take responsibility for the death threats that have been made because of the hatred you have incited? Do you sleep better at night knowing you and Vernon have caused that?
Barbara you could try to debate your way out of matters endlessly, but to me your actions have already spoken loud and clear. The firsthand witness accounts on this site that tell the truth of your group’s actions can be seen by all. It is so obvious you are truly the ones causing harm, and causing harm to yourselves, regardless of your gigantic efforts to blame it on Mark or the people of this community.
Your attempts to portray us as brainless followers that follow some nonexistent orders are getting quite old. You are using this as an excuse to ignore facts which you are unable to properly address. But ‘your issue IS with us’ since you are attacking us and what we stand for.
By the way, How did you actually envision your talk with Mark? Are you going to try to convince him of your made up lies about his life?
It is blatantly obvious you’ve only got malicious intentions with this. Moving because of your completely unjust vendetta to try to pressure him to stop teaching.
Barbara know that I’m 100% against this.
These teachings have had an indescribably wonderful impact on my life. The benefits of it beyond what I could imagine. And I’m not alone in this. http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/belsebuub-gnostic-movement-personal-experiences/.
I’m so glad there are others who also know the value of these teachings. This experience of truth is what makes us rise up against the lies. And I truly wish that anyone that is interested also has the chance to experience this.
You are actively fighting against people having this opportunity. You said “…..I am prepared to take responsibility for what comes out of my actions.” but do you realise how serious what you are doing really is?
Once more, I, Karim, am sincerely asking you, to please let your sad campaign come to an end.
Barbara,
Firstly, I appreciate your consideration of the peaceful resolution to take down the website. I recognize that you have thought this through and are choosing to maintain your website. It is sad to hear, however, it is better that we understand your position. Therefore, I appreciate the clarification.
Secondly, yes I recognize that you have not made individual articles about the people here (not that we have anything to hide). However, you have to see that each time you refer to us as cult members, condescend us, call us sheep, etc…this is directed at each and every one of us. Anyway, when I see you attack others here, it is as if you are attacking me.
On a related note, I must admit it was awkward for me when a respected colleague of mine found the press release for my research study. Vernon, Jake and another person associated with your campaign had attempted to humiliate me, to discredit the research, and to defame Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), as an extension of this campaign. The press release is directly linked to my professional reputation (which Vernon had threatened in an email prior to violating the press release).
Fortunately, I am not in the business of impression management…
Finally, I appreciate you taking into consideration the unintended consequences that this sustained campaign could have. I ask that you please especially consider the mother on your website who appears to be compelled by very strong, unhealthy emotions. I say this with all due respect to the mother, based on her writings, videos, and other information she has shared.
She will undoubtedly wake up one day, perhaps in the near future, wanting to rebuild the relationship she has lost with her daughter. She will surely regret this public display. I think it would be kind of you to encourage her to take a break and to get some much needed rest from what she has made her mission. Perhaps, then other possibilities for dealing with this situation will emerge.
Gabrielle
I think you can see by now Barbara that no one is really buying into your justifications for carrying out this smear campaign. If your only reason for posting on the movementsofgnostics site was for the sake of “others” then you wouldn’t have made such relentless and calculated attempts to defame and harass Mark Pritchard and this community, like orchestrating TV shows with your husband’s friend Elita in Cyprus to vilify us, email past and present students and teachers of TGM and anyone else you found to send your story, and threaten practitioners.
You claim that you have the support of several ex teachers and students of TGM, yet not a single teacher of TGM who was there when you were asked to leave has joined you in your smear campaign. The people whom you claim support from are a small handful of former TGM participants who left for their own reasons long before you did, and you have simply used them in your own campaign as extra ammunition. If you have all this support, where is it? Hardly anyone even comments on your stories anymore, most of the comments come from you using a few different accounts, not even your husband is coming out in support of you (and he lets you defend him too). All this talk of long-term therapy, failed marriages – well now that the real reasons behind your claims of a failed marriage etc are out there, it is hard to take these claims without a grain of salt, as it’s clear that you have a tendancy to blame personal issues on TGM and Mark Pritchard even if they were not involved.
Then you try to make out like you have some understanding for us, people in this community, apparently that is why you so generously “have not written any articles about each of you as individuals”, but really Barbara, if you had one iota of care for any one of us, you would not have gone to such lengths to accuse and negatively typecast us, threaten us, and ridicule us for defending ourselves by claiming we’re “stalking” you.
Again you plead for Mark to contact you, but why would he, look at the way that you are carrying on. You can’t even resolve the issues with us, let alone what you have done to Mark.
“If you have all this support, where is it? Hardly anyone even comments on your stories anymore, most of the comments come from you using a few different accounts, not even your husband is coming out in support of you (and he lets you defend him too). “
That’s a good point, Sabah. Seems like Barbara and her multiple usernames are fighting all the battles nowadays. The rest can be counted on one hand, and will probably flake away like everyone else has done when they realize that life is too short to waste on such nonsense, or when they are discarded by Barbara and Vernon once they are no longer useful to them.
“As you may have noticed, I have not written any articles about each of you as individuals…”
Why should you have the right to anyhow? Moreover, is it not enough that you already shared our names, email addresses, private emails and other personal details on your website and in other places on the web, passing them on to people who are complete strangers to you and whose only relationship to you is the shared desire to bring TGM and Belsebuub down…?
“As you may have noticed, I have not written any articles about each of you as individuals…”
You’re so correct with what you say Jenny. Also, regarding Barbara’s comment above she may as well have written articles about each of us as individuals since the harm caused by her hate site as been the same.
“The people whom you claim support from are a small handful of former TGM participants who left for their own reasons long before you did, and you have simply used them in your own campaign as extra ammunition.” – good point, Sabah.
Barbara makes it sounds like these people contacted her out of the blue , as if they had just been thinking about starting a hate campaign themselves…
The reality is that she and Vernon contacted anyone and everyone who they thought would be interested or who could be exploited.
Of those who bought in, Barbara suggests that many of them required therapy. While she exploits their states, as if it were some sort of evidence, I feel that encouraging people to engage in such public displays while they work through intense issues is unwise.
What if, in the future, they regret what they have written or said, as well as the harm that they caused to others? I recall one of the regular posters there making a comment in which they regretted writing something while they were very angry and medicated.
While they are free to do what they want, I think it is a mistake for anyone who is working through intense emotions and issues to contribute to that campaign.
It is a hate site, dedicated to systematically destroying a spiritual community and its teacher on the basis of religious beliefs. Those leading the hate campaign are very clear about this in their articles. I hope that the few who are contributing to it recognize the extent to which they are being exploited and used to promote hate.
“The reality is that she and Vernon contacted anyone and everyone who they thought would be interested or who could be exploited.
Of those who bought in, Barbara suggests that many of them required therapy. While she exploits their states, as if it were some sort of evidence, I feel that encouraging people to engage in such public displays while they work through intense issues is unwise.
What if, in the future, they regret what they have written or said, as well as the harm that they caused to others? I recall one of the regular posters there making a comment in which they regretted writing something while they were very angry and medicated. “
You know, those two points stood out to me as well. For one, she paints this picture of people flocking to her to share their negative experiences, and yet there are many people who said they were approached by Barbara and Vernon in an attempt for those two to gain support for their cause. In fact, it seems that they looked up anyone who had previously left TGM and moved on with their lives to try to get them involved in the smear campaign. These exaggerations shouldn’t get passed unnoticed.
As for the people requiring therapy, I have two points to make on this subject:
1). I completely agree with you that seeing as she has knowledge of these people undergoing therapy, it probably really is unwise and rather irresponsible to encourage them to partake in these types of activities. Instead, they should probably be encouraged to work through things with their therapists. The one example you brought up is very telling, where the person said they posted things they later regretted because they were very bored, unstimulated, drugged, and angry – that’s not a healthy place to be in for anybody, nor should that be encouraged.
2). Just making a blanket statement about people requiring therapy after their involvement with a particular group is rather inadequate. If such a statement was assessed for legal consideration, surely the background of these individuals would be explored, their medical history, whether they’ve seen a therapist beforehand, why they are seeing the therapist now (is it even related to the group?), whether they have a family history of any conditions that might require them to see a therapist, etc.
How many is “many” anyhow? 1? 2? 3 individuals? Out of how many who’ve participated in the group over the years? How does that compare to ratios of people being involved in other groups or religions, or even just in day-to-day jobs and activities?
I am not writing this to undermine anyone who may be seeing a therapist – in fact, I encourage everyone who needs to, to heal themselves in whatever way they see fit and beneficial for them. I am only commenting here on the fact that just throwing a scandalous/fear-mongering statement out there – using the words “many”, “requiring therapy”, etc., is really not an adequate way to prove anything at all. Rather it comes across more like a tabloid story – aimed at getting a quick emotional response, while hoping people won’t reason through it too much to see past the empty sensational claims.
“The reality is that she and Vernon contacted anyone and everyone who they thought would be interested or who could be exploited.”
“Of those who bought in, Barbara suggests that many of them required therapy. While she exploits their states, as if it were some sort of evidence, I feel that encouraging people to engage in such public displays while they work through intense issues is unwise”
These are great points Gabrielle. They are also very intense and shocking. It’s so predatory to take advantage of people like that. Incredibly wrong in my opinion.
Very well said Sabah.
Indeed, if she says she cares for others, let alone our community, why has Barbara come here and tried to put down witnesses with crude and demeaning remarks against their character?
It is true what you said that Barbara is alone now, not even her husband has come out to defend her? She is without any support as she used to flaunt so dramatically. In the past she used to mock our community, suggesting we had low numbers and how much people there were behind her. It is quite sad actually that now she has gone so far as to create other user accounts on her website which happen to be posted as pseudonyms that never before appeared on the website and seem to suggest (that these made up profiles) had a lot of involvement with Mark or TGM. As though they had inside stories, but it was Barbara all along in another weak attempt to frantically uphold the falling walls of her charade.
We are not attacking Barbara in any way. In fact it is she who has come to us again, right into the doorsteps of our community page, where we try our best to put the true accounts out there and defend ourselves from false accusations. She is coming here to rouse up negativity, but there’s no chance any one would allow Barbara to simply slander and threaten us endlessly.
It is absurd to think we would not step up to confront her from her threatening remarks, yet still, without any logical grounds, she diverts our accusations against her lies as stalking – after by the way, she comes here to slander and abuse us.
I think its really time for Barbara to cool down, to relax, and take a break from all this, to put an end to this affair and see how her life would be different, to experiment and see what it would do, to give life a new chance. Obviously with her ”Psychological expertise”, she must have realised by now continuing on like this is not doing her very well.
”…now she has gone so far as to create other user accounts on her website which happen to be posted as pseudonyms that never before appeared on the website and seem to suggest (that these made up profiles) had a lot of involvement with Mark or TGM. As though they had inside stories, but it was Barbara all along in another weak attempt to frantically uphold the falling walls of her charade.”
I find it quite amusing sometimes to see Barbara very seriously talking with herself under different usernames.
I don’t oversee the fact that it is also very concerning though. I see it as a sign of desperation and loneliness. I am quite concerned with what she will come up with next.
If any physical harm would come to us, she would be the primary suspect. Her website would betray her then. I hope it will never come to that although I am very concerned seeing her attacks escalating.
We have peacefully offered her a way out of this mess but her answer is more aggressiveness and even more lies.
Beautifully put, Sabah!
I’ve noticed that, too, how few comments, if any, the blogs of hate receive…
And it is indeed interesting that Vernon isn’t trying to defend himself or the awful attacks he’s involved with, or his unethical behaviours. Perhaps he is coming to his senses and he’s not going to carry on in the hatred…
All that remains is for you to end this mess, Barbara – to take down your hate site, remove the lies about Belsebuub, and ensure the posts likening the community groups to cults are removed. Then this site will come down, our defenses can end, and you and the rest of the MOGers can move on with your lives. We could all be happy, and in a short time, all of this would disappear from cyberspace.
We want peace, and I’m sure in your heart, you do, too.
indeed Mike, indeed…
“I think you can see by now Barbara that no one is really buying into your justifications for carrying out this smear campaign. If your only reason for posting on the movementsofgnostics site was for the sake of “others” then you wouldn’t have made such relentless and calculated attempts to defame and harass Mark Pritchard and this community, like orchestrating TV shows with your husband’s friend Elita in Cyprus to vilify us, email past and present students and teachers of TGM and anyone else you found to send your story, and threaten practitioners. “
You’ve make a lot of sense Sabah with your comments. And you are also so right no one is buying into her claims.
I can’t believe that after our many pleas Barbara still refuses to come to her senses and continues to put peoples lives at risks.
Shameful behaviour.
Excellent points Sabah, you have really captured the essence of the true motivations behind B and the smear campaign. It is evident that she will stop at nothing to continue to portray herself as victim, when in fact she is the perpetrator.
It’s interesting reading your response Barbara. It almost seems sincere. Almost.
However, all it takes is one look at what you post on the MOG site, and in other places on this site, coupled with what the witness accounts and members of this community have expressed, to really see through the game you’re playing.
This nonsense of protecting innocent people from Mark and our community, is and always has been unnecessary, ridiculous and slanderous. As Sabah mentioned, no one is buying it. No one will buy it. Do you know why? Your accusations and claims have never had any basis in the truth, just manipulation on peoples emotions, by throwing around the “cult” cry, the “relationship scandal” cry and various others.
These are heavy accusations which carry a lot of weight to them, due to the nature of real circumstances that have happened in the past (regarding ACTUAL harmful cults and scandals, which has not been the case in this community despite your attempts to portray that as truth) and you’ve created a lot of fear mongering and emotional abuse by using these types of scenarios against Mark and this community, which is so damaging especially because they are completely and utterly false.
Nevertheless, your accusations and claims have been continuously exposed and refuted again and again, especially as of late. And it will continue to be brought to light so that everyone can see how much you’ve twisted the truth to suit your campaign.
No one is trying to bully or silence you, no one is trying to stalk you, no one actually wants anything to do with you, but we definitely aren’t going to stop defending our community and Mark, because the things you put out there are utterly false.
“No one is trying to bully or silence you, no one is trying to stalk you, no one actually wants anything to do with you, but we definitely aren’t going to stop defending our community and Mark, because the things you put out there are utterly false.”
Well said, Vida.
In case any more efforts are made to change the story or modify the “Success, Health, and Well-Being” meetup pages, I managed to get a few screen shots as of roughly 10 minutes ago.
The screen shots have the pictures of “Vernon” and “Jake” as organizers (with their pictures) and a comment made to admin, referring to this user as “Barbara.” There’s also a lovely picture where their meetup group is listed as hosting a seminar on the MLM/Pyramid Scheme. There are a couple of other images as well…
If anyone would like to see them, I’d be happy to share
Well spotted. I noticed the same thing.
Hey Relax N.I.G, you forgot Barb’s still got an ace up her sleeve! After all she is a pro and knows all about ‘Keeping Secrets’ and all about ‘Honesty and Lies’, which is why she teaches foreigners how to do it in English. More lambs to the slaughter by the sound of it…
Hi ‘Morpheus’, isn’t it your group who accused me of posting anonymously? I noticed that whenever someone has something particularly malicious to say, they post with another username or with the name ‘anonymous’. It is a good way to get something off their chest without any repercussions to them as a ‘spiritual teacher’ isn’t it?
As for me, I am by know means anonymous. You all know who I am.
If you would like to do anything else to try to undermine my employment, please go ahead. I will take it straight to the police and submit it with a report along with all the other evidence of harassment and stalking that I have. The police cleared me of any wrong-doing. I wonder if they will also clear you? And by the way, this is not a threat. It is called cause and effect.
I really can’t believe your the same woman I once knew. Seriously, do you actually read your comments.
Barbara, seeing how people’s families have been contacted and lied to, how people have been harassed on their Facebook, their jobs threatened, some receiving death threats, others being followed, centers vandalized etc.. and that’s not even stating what you have initiated against Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) I can totally understand that when some people make comments that are true, yet which you may find offensive and could make you react, they do it anonymously..
You claim that everyone knows who you are here.. not true either.. Many people have have no idea of who you are. And people who come onto your hate site don’t know who is making the posting..
Which to me brings about an important point: If you felt so secure about what you are saying and stating, then why not doing it in the open then? Why not have your picture and your sad story together?
Could it be because as stated by all the testimonies here, all the facts that are found on this website, it would only reveal you for what you have become?
I’d say so..
Yet you have no problem putting people in danger by publishing their full name and lying about them blatantly.. Letting people comment, make death threats, and publish horrible false accusations..
I am amazed how far you have gone in hatred that you can be so self-righteous about all the things you do, and that we are here defending ourselves with facts and testimonies and you cry “wolf”..
You have no facts, but distorted stories and when compared to everything that is written here, nothing that you claim adds up.
Yes you write well, so it may sound compelling, and you know what words to write to tug at people’s emotions and make them reactive.. But really you’re only publishing a tabloid hate site on the internet and now being part of an MLM/pyramid scheme group..
I can’t imagine that when you were a little girl or even in college imagining that this is the life you wanted. Yet that’s the one you are living and have chosen to live..
Well, I hope that the heart of the little girl and the woman who had started her life and was ready to have a bright future wakes up from this hatred and makes it stop. I hope she has the courage to stand up to herself and let love in..
Exactly John. It’s really very sad to see.
Barbara, you’re starting to sound really desperate.
In light of all the despicable things you’ve done, it’s laughable to read your responses, and see you endeavoring to paint yourself as being the victim.
Everything you did while you were with the movement, you willingly did of your own free will, as we all have done. And the efforts you made, certainly to help others, were truly remarkable, and we all had great respect and admiration for you. But there has been no manipulation of anyone. There have been none of the cult like things that you’ve spoken about going on. It’s as simple as that.
It’s of absolutely no use what so ever lashing out with wounded pride.
Regarding anonymity, I think it is important to consider that we did not start this conflict. We are defending ourselves, this community, and the spiritual teacher Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) from your attacks.
Anyone who wants to remain anonymous has every right to do so here. We did not ask to be in this position (although we will not back down). We have no obligation to you, or to anyone else, to disclose our identities.
Anyway, considering the things people here have had to endure due to their identities being known by you and members of your hate campaign, do you really expect anything different?
Most of us post here with our real names, unlike you. If you are trying to discredit people for using a pseudonym, then that is laughable, you have never used your real name here or on your hate site.
As far as your employment goes, no one really cares what you do. It would be nice if you could just focus on something constructive like a decent job and leave us alone.
I have plenty more evidence I can send you if you would like it
It is no secret that we were members. If it were, we would not have posted our full names and photos on numerous sites around the internet, particularly knowing that we have 50+ stalkers who google our names on a daily basis.
But what you do here is indeed stalking and now I have an evidence bank of my own – a very large one.
Stalking? You have come over to this website to respond to comments that we have made in relation to revelations from direct witnesses of past events that prove that your false allegations made against Belsebuub, TGM and our community are unfounded, you continue to engage in responses and you call this stalking?
Please Barabara, get serious.
No Paty, stalking is the following:
* googling my name on a daily basis to check up on the activities I do in my personal time.
* spending endless hours on websites in which I have participated in activities relating to personal interest.
* visiting the website of my business and discussing it on your website and previously threatening to interfere with my employment
* visiting the website of my wedding photos when it was not intended for you and commenting on them on this website (I had to later password protect it for privacy)
* searching for ISP related information of my husband’s company and threatening to contact his clients
* publishing endless information relating to my personal life, 95% of which is false.
* discussing a relationship I had nearly 12 years ago
* the list goes on…
For all of the above I have evidence, and right now people here are walking on very thin ice. You have once reported me to the police (who cleared me of any wrongdoing) and I will not hesitate to do the same should such stalking and harassment continue.
Barbara, no one is googling your name on a daily basis. I think you have an inflated perception of your own importance.
As I have said before, you launched your smear campaign in public on the internet, and we are responding to it publicly. We have simply met you in the place where you chose to attack us.
You brought the matters of your relationships up in public, and your stories are still there on your public website, and you use those stories to attack us by painting a false picture of events. Since people have witnessed differently they are bringing forward their testimonies. It is our right to respond and defend ourselves. We never asked you to use stories of your personal life to make false claims and attacks us — that was your choice.
As for visiting websites you are involved in, as pointed out already, they are public. Your advocacy of the MLM group you were part of has been public, and we have every right to comment on this public activity in relation to your public smear campaign. The hypocrisy of your involvement in this is obvious and shows your campaign lacks credibility.
I think it is a bit rich for you to make accusations of “stalking”. Justin explained it well:
“It is interesting to see, however, what activity you consider “stalking” or intrusive of privacy.
Did you feel this was the case when you repeatedly revealed personal information about Mark and Edith Pritchard’s living conditions, salary, health insurance, eating and living habits, physical location, and other activities?
Was it stalking when you and collaborators tracked his online activities on virtually a daily basis, launching new articles to comment on every tiny website revision he made?
Is it stalking to post articles with titles like, “Update on the Life and Movements of Belsebuub?”
Nothing that has been done here remotely approaches any of these actions, and yet you defend the one and condemn the other.
It sadly appears to me based on these inconsistencies that that you have no real fixed ethical standards with respect to these matters, but rather choose your positions based on what will best support your arguments.”
You sound desperate Barbara. Desperately trying to save face. Such petty, ridiculous, twisted and farcical comments you keep making here. I suspect 50+ people actually don’t google your name on a daily basis. What a silly comment. If someone visits a public website how is that stalking? You are clutching at straws Barbara.
Hello Barbara,
I disagree — I don’t see any stalking from members of this site.
N-I-G and others have raised completely valid points about your involvement in an MLM/Pyramid scheme. This involvement is relevant in the context of your accusations, since so many facets of this involvement undermine the accusations you are making.
I have raised a few of these points here: http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/smear-campaigners-involvement-in-scam-and-pyramid-scheme/#comment-1616
As part of our right of defence and response, I believe it is perfectly valid to critically analyze your arguments and consider your public behaviour and advocacy for this MLM group, as these things bear on the accusations you have made, which are quite serious.
It is interesting to see, however, what activity you consider “stalking” or intrusive of privacy.
Did you feel this was the case when you repeatedly revealed personal information about Mark and Edith Pritchard’s living conditions, salary, health insurance, eating and living habits, physical location, and other activities?
Was it stalking when you and collaborators tracked his online activities on virtually a daily basis, launching new articles to comment on every tiny website revision he made?
Is it stalking to post articles with titles like, “Update on the Life and Movements of Belsebuub?”
Nothing that has been done here remotely approaches any of these actions, and yet you defend the one and condemn the other.
It sadly appears to me based on these inconsistencies that that you have no real fixed ethical standards with respect to these matters, but rather choose your positions based on what will best support your arguments.
Barbara,
It’s a pretty gross distortion to say that there are 50+ people googling your name on a daily basis. Maybe some people do, but really….over 50? Every day?
I don’t think I’ve ever googled your name. I’m sitting here trying to think if I ever did…but can’t recall a single instance.
And to say that we’re here stalking you is another big distortion. All of us are here, on our own site, because you launched a hate campaign against us that has massively disrupted our lives, hurt our families and friends, and left us with a pile of lies floating around on the internet, saying that we are a cult and that our spiritual teacher, Belsebuub, is a deviant. It’s only reasonable that we are here defending with the truth, to counter balance all the twisted stories you willfully put out on the internet in the first place.
That is nowhere near stalking. Your exaggerations are very misleading.
I also want to confirm that I do not google your names on a daily basis. In fact, I do not think I have ever googled your names, particularly in relation to this. It has not crossed my mind, and I am sure this is the case for others.
I do not know if you really believe this or if it is just hype. If you really believe that we are all googling your names regularly, I think that is concerning.
We really do not concern ourselves with your lives, and we would honestly like to move forward. We have nothing against you personally, however, we have to defend our spiritual principles and the spiritual teacher Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), who we know to be authentic and to have sacrificed greatly for humanity.
I’m not sure how you came up with the number 50+ and ”on a daily basis”. Do you have any kind of proof for this accusation?
Because you seem to be very specific.
Something like this would indeed be serious but it is equally very serious to publicly mention it when it is a blatant lie.
You are inciting hatred against us because you falsely present us as a hate group and stalkers. This can have very serious repercussions on our personal safety.
It is very irresponsible on your behalf to come up with these false allegations that put us all in danger.
Please remove any such mentions at once.
I can remember the updates on the MOG website on Belsebuub’s story being changed, each time a little detail was changed on his website a new article was posted and Belsebuub was ridiculed and mocked again and again. Now facts get revealed about you Barbara and you call us stalkers. These facts put your whole campaign and you as a person in question and for everyone to read.
You carry no proof of your claim of 50+ people googling your name. As Gabrielle points out, it is very concerning to even think we would spend all that time googling your names on a daily basis. I do not even know if your surname changed after your break-up or when you got re-married and to be honest I don’t need to know. The way you think reveals a lot about how you are and how you see us. Don’t flatter yourself by claiming this amount of attention to you as it is not the case. You are not that important. We merely have this interaction as you keep bringing up lies.
This site is our means to show the public who you really are and our response to your campaign. More and more facts are brought up and your own actions and deeds expose your lies. We have responded to your articles properly but until now there has been no response from you to the many testimonials posted on this website.
“More and more facts are brought up and your own actions and deeds expose your lies. We have responded to your articles properly but until now there has been no response from you to the many testimonials posted on this website.”
Good point, Roy.
I wonder if a lot of the points that Barbara presents, like suggesting that 50 people actually stalk her, are just designed to keep the public’s focus off of this very fact.
Over the last several weeks, since these testimonials emerged, the response from Barbara is notable.
Articles have surfaced which refute the cult accusations, the relationship accusations, the accusations regarding Barbara and Vernon’s separation from The Gnostic Movement, etc…
Beyond that, their involvement with a pyramid scheme which has actually been labeled a cult, and the hypocritical nature of this involvement was revealed.
The responses we get from Barbara tend to be superficial, threatening, attacking, unrelated, or distracting…Rather than remaining silent or addressing the points made in the articles.
“These facts put your whole campaign and you as a person in question and for everyone to read.”
This is true; it’s the point of this whole website really. Calling us stalkers or brainwashed cult members doesn’t change the fact that many people here have witnessed events which are exactly opposite of what Barbara says they are. We have to come forward and speak about what we know, because it is the truth.
I feel like a lot of these comments about us being stalkers, etc. are just designed to skirt the real issues, which have been addressed at length in the witness testimonies, and deal directly with Barbara’s validity.
I get 5400/month, or 180 a day search for my name according to google. Oh yes thats right, there are 6 billion people on the planet, many which would have the same name as me. Could this not be the real reason you’re seeing these figures? Common sense does not prevail though?
That’s right Cameron.
This is an exact example of how Barbara distorts information to create her victim story and victim persona. And she has done this right throughout her MOG site. That is why what Barbara writes is not credible, factual or reliable.
Good point Cameron.
Indeed.. and people look up names for many reasons: long lost friends, family tree genealogy, journalists, business people etc..
Everyone can see for themselves via ad.words.Google how many hits/searches they get on their names.. I get an average of 280 hits a month, I guess my name is not as common as my husband which I searched as well and it totalled over 6,600 a month.. over 220 hits a day..
Yet Barbara once again tries to twist things to portray herself in a certain light..
Hi Barbara,
you claimed “I have plenty more evidence I can send you if you would like it”
I think you haven’t anything else important to say. If you had, you would be very “glad” to announce in the internet with capitals letters.
You try to create the “impression” to us that you know only you. It’s the same game that your husband, Vernon was playing against us for several years that he knew things we didn’t know so we had ‘obey” to him. So, you also play the same game, but “unfortunately” for you we will not fall in your trap.
Do you know why? Because we take our decisions from these we know and not from these we don’t know.
“You try to create the “impression” to us that you know only you. It’s the same game that your husband, Vernon was playing against us for several years that he knew things we didn’t know so we had ‘obey” to him. So, you also play the same game, but “unfortunately” for you we will not fall in your trap.”
That’s good point, Seraphim.
It’s funny how there’s always this talk of *evidence*, while none is ever presented. My favourite was the email she sent to Mark and Edith – what kind of evidence is that?!?! I can write the most absurd letter ever and send it to someone, and then claim that it is evidence for absurd stuff taking place… Anyhow, I have yet to see any clear evidence to support any of the allegations she is churning out, and I believe that she herself knows she has no evidence. Why else would she fail to explain any of the things exposed on this site about her conduct? Instead she’s just playing it as though she’s got all the evidence in the world, but she’s too cool to share it. Much easier to divert attention by pointing fingers, throwing some threatening words around, and taunting others. Sorry Barbara, that’s not really going to hold up though.
“It’s funny how there’s always this talk of *evidence*, while none is ever presented. My favourite was the email she sent to Mark and Edith – what kind of evidence is that?!?!”
Exactly Jenny, what sort of evidence is that? The truth is, there has never been any evidence and never will be. On the other hand there are many witness accounts which are very conclusive.
“I have yet to see any clear evidence to support any of the allegations she is churning out, and I believe that she herself knows she has no evidence. Why else would she fail to explain any of the things exposed on this site about her conduct?”
Great point, Jenny.
I think Barbara’s only “proof” is more lies.
Thank you Tone! I agree with you.
A simple message for those connected to the ‘hate’ campaign….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPl2q2Ha3qE
Very nice message Dimi.
Yeah, that’s great Dimi, thanks for sharing.
Well said Matthew, David and Justin, you bring forward some very good points.
Barbara, here you go again trying to bully, silence and instill fear. We have every right to speak out in our own defense against your falsehoods and deceptions.
Let’s not forget your horrible crimes which took place in Cyprus against our community which still continues to harm all of us. That’s not to mention the life threatening risks which the Cypriots are still facing.
Here is a link to the story:
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/persecution-gnostics-in-greece-cyprus/
And below is an extract in case you ever choose to face this terrible injustice. If you really wanted to stop this madness you would try and understand the harm that you’ve caused. Read our stories and understand the persecution that we’re facing.
“Later in 2010, this accuser appeared again on the same show with Elita Michailidou. This time the show was entirely about The Gnostic Movement and was advertised as “Revealing an international Heresy ‘SECT’ based on the accusations that this TV show received…” before the show even began. Mark Pritchard was denied a chosen representative on the show. Unrelated dramatized video footage of so-called “cult members” was juxtaposed with real images of our practitioners. No testimonials in defense of The Gnostic Movement or of Mark Pritchard were read during the program (beyond a casual reference) – although Elita had these testimonials on hand, but testimonials against us were. There were several callers who wished to speak in support of The Gnostic Movement and Mark Pritchard, but these callers were not allowed on the air; however, callers against us were. During the broadcast, The Gnostic Movement was repeatedly called a “heresy” by various guests.
We were later told off camera by a guest panel member who had appeared on the show, that influential members of the Orthodox Church had asked that we be harmed on the show.”
Thanks, John for reminding us of the seriousness of the events that took place in Greece and in Cyprus.
I remember a scene from the Mahabharat, in which Arjun’s son, Abhimanyu, was caught in the Wheel Trap. The Pandavas were caught in other traps (due to divine intervention) and were unable to help him. Rather than fighting Abhimanyu according to the rules of war, the enemy attacked him while he was unarmed. He faced a team of warriors, unarmed, and they massacred him. Before dying, Abhimanyu voiced disappointed that he had died at the hands of cowards. As a warrior, he would have been happy to die at their hands if it had been a fair fight, as he was prepared to sacrifice everything in the name of the holy war. Their actions then revealed their true nature.
It came to mind when reflecting on what happened to this representative of The Gnostic Movement when appearing on the show with Elita Michailidou.
The fact that the show inciting so much hatred in members of the public and the Orthodox Church is horrible.
I think Matthew and Justin did an awesome job of addressing Barbara’s recent “concerns.”
Honestly, the things you have done to us, @Barbara, and you, now, complaining?! It’s like a bad joke!
You and Vernon have attacked all of us on the internet and on TV (making us out to be brainwashed cult-members, harming our spiritual groups, these teachings, and worse). We have tried our best to reason with you and ask for peace.
You and your hate team are a threat to spirituality in the world.
It is our right to defend ourselves and the teachings; we have no alternatives because you won’t listen to reason. This may mean your feelings get hurt, and I’m sorry to see that happen – I really am, because I don’t like to see people suffer and I also remember how much good you did for others when your heart was in these teachings…
Please, Barbara, put an end to this hatred.
Well said Mike.
I agree with all of those in support of Belsebuub and the teachings, which have definitely made a profound difference in my life for the better (which are beyond words).
We urge that all of these attacks CEASE IMMEDIATELY and simply put an end to this once and for all. Enough harm and destruction has been caused…like a beautiful forest has been wiped out over these past few years, there is simply nothing left to cut down.
Let us all move on with our lives and pursue the freedom to practice anything we choose to (which is our right to do so)…
Much strength to all.
Barbara I am surprised to see that you characterised all those testimonials as “hateful, deceitful, revengeful, and false”, “practical jokes” and you declared that, “I really don’t care what you write about me here and clearly you have nothing new to say.”
These testimonials describe what negative and harmful experiences the people had with you and Vernon. You haven’t still understood how much you (and especially your husband that you obviously support wholeheartedly in his actions) have harmed, harassed and put in danger the lives of teachers and students in Cyprus and Greece.
Have you any understanding of all this?
The problem is that all the time you and your husband like very much to speak and write and not listen the others because of the big ideas you have about yourselves.
Because of this we are still obligated to continue to suffer and our reputation and lives remain in big danger. So we are obligated to hide our images and names from everywhere. This unpleasant and unfair situation creates big difficulties to spread these gentle and precious teachings. Of course you don’t care about all that because you care only about yourselves.
I have no words to describe my surprise that this unfair and dangerous situation happens to us when we wholeheartedly supported you and your husband when you were in TGM!
Hi Seraphim,
“I have no words to describe my surprise that this unfair and dangerous situation happens to us when we wholeheartedly supported you and your husband when you were in TGM!”
This is really unbelievable indeed. I cannot imagine how strange this must have been for you. I’m also surprised at how far they have taken this and about how little sense they have for reason and the safety of others.
Barbara I hope you understand that if you also want to resolve this you should be replying to us with more respect and not with misleading allegations and distorted facts and especially not with threats of any kind.
If you really want to resolve the situation why don’t you come up with a more tangible solution?
You have not only attacked Belsebuub but all of us since because of your campaign many of us have been mistreated by people that once were very close to us.
Although you very much like to portray us like sheep we are not. We have the right to defend ourselves and as others have mentioned we want to resolve the issue so that this stops and everyone continues with their lives.
We are inspired by Belsebuub’s teachings and we practice them as much as we can and this is the reason that we do not follow him or anyone else blindly. Because that’s what his teachings are all about. We take responsibility for our actions, decisions and choices.
It doesn’t really matter how we feel about each other and this should in no way distract us from resolving our differences. It doesn’t matter if we believe you or not or if you like us or not.
We all want the same thing, don’t we? Continue with our lives in peace.
It seems that this issue cannot be resolved like any conflict in everyday life where someone wins because they managed to hurt the other side in such a degree that the other gives up or is unable to continue but through mutual respect and consideration.
In this way, I believe, the conflict will be resolved in a more permanent way since everyone is going to be a winner and there will be no resentments.
I would be unable to speak for others and represent them in any kind of discussion about resolving this issue. And I suspect you wouldn’t really expect that anyone of us including Mark would actually come out to guarantee no further action by anyone else than themselves.
As others have mentioned I also believe that you lost your chance of resolving the issue just with Mark when you launched your campaign since everything became public and many other people were badly affected as well.
So it seems that this has to be resolved in public ground where everyone will commit in respecting the end of this mess and not continuing any further. Then we all continue with our lives in peace. Everyone wins.
Already there has been a suggestion for you to take down your websites and delete any public mention about any of us. Then we have agreed that this website also comes down and any mention about you.
It is very simple and the whole process would probably take a couple of hours. And after that everyone has what they asked for. Peace.
Christos, I think the way you put everything is very sensible and sincere.
Certainly the way to come to a resolution is not through threats, bullying, twisting and manipulating facts, and so on. What really needs to happen is for both sites to come down, and for everyone to go their own ways peacefully. I think what you said here is interesting:
“It is very simple and the whole process would probably take a couple of hours. And after that everyone has what they asked for. Peace.”
This really strikes me as interesting because the physical steps to end this are in fact very, very simple. A couple of hours, a bit of computer work, and everything that is currently causing so many mothers, friends, family members, etc. such pain…all of it would be laid to rest.
Isn’t it interesting that despite the simple physical steps needed to end this awful situation…it comes down to internal forces that just won’t allow this to take place? It’s a shame to think that we could have peace in a matter of hours even, except for all the work it would take to overcome the strong emotions and ideas which have firmly asserted themselves, and caused all this in the first place.
We are inspired by Belsebuub’s teachings and we practice them as much as we can and this is the reason that we do not follow him or anyone else blindly. Because that’s what his teachings are all about. We take responsibility for our actions, decisions and choices.
It therefore stands to reason that each person who is speaking out is making a stand and defending themselves and that which they each know to be true!
It’s about time all this came out in the open so those of us -including myself – come to a deeper understanding about the true nature and conduct of those who have started up a hate site.
“We are inspired by Belsebuub’s teachings and we practice them as much as we can and this is the reason that we do not follow him or anyone else blindly. Because that’s what his teachings are all about. We take responsibility for our actions, decisions and choices.”
Well said Dimi. Also, I find that it’s our duty to defend these teachings to be able to preserve them.
Today, many influential people across the world are using the media to wipe out all esoteric teachings. Sadly, the word “cult” can be very powerful and will cause harm to many innocent people.
For these reasons it’s very important to speak out against the wrong actions of people, not only for us but for future generations.
Great points, Dimi. I feel similarly. It is great you feel that sense of responsibility and inspiration to speak out and to defend yourself and Belsebuub’s teachings.
If you really want to resolve the situation why don’t you come up with a more tangible solution?
You have not only attacked Belsebuub but all of us since because of your campaign many of us have been mistreated by people that once were very close to us.
When you brought this into public domain Barbara you got us all involved. This is not between you and Belsebuub but concerns us all after you starting your campaign. Even more after you posted against all of our groups, mentioning we are dangerous cults, which we are not. Nevertheless you scream cult but have never visited any of these groups or retreat centres. You continue to spread lies about us and for that reason we continue to present the truth and reveal who you really are.
It’s a loss for both sides to not consider our offer or make a suggestion how to end this. Christos already presents one above. Instead you post a new article on your MOG hate website accusing us all for gang-stalking. Unfortunately you disregard the comments and testimonials given by those within our community and the harm your campaign and TV show have caused us. Here it clearly shows your hate campaign is designed to mobilize people against our groups. Now we give our side of the story and you accuse us for gang-stalking.
Same old goes, twisting the facts and disregard our sayings to peacefully resolve this. It looks like you yourself like continuing this. What is driving you, what is within that pushes you to continue? I’m sure it’s not something peaceful and isn’t that what we all want at the end of the day?
You show a 180 degree different Barbara I meet in London. I was so glad when you organized the European retreat and offered the teachings in Europe. It was such a lovely event with many warm people gathered. It helped me enormously to solve some personal issues and bring spirituality more permanently into my life. You managed to help me to get in contact with like minded people who sincerely want to change and I’m still grateful for your efforts made. Unfortunately somewhere along the way you lost this sincerity and got lost in your ambitions and pride. Now you take away others chance in pursuing these teachings and oppose our efforts to bring the benefits to others.
I urge you to consider the situation we are in now and the options to solve this.
Well said Roy S.
It seems like your logical and sensible approach to this situation deserves a matching outcome…
I also remember Barbara as someone who helped me a great deal in understanding the importance of inner change, given the circumstances I was going through at that time, and as Roy mentioned, I’m still grateful for the efforts she made.
One of the first things I learned from her was precisely to be in the present moment, clear of any events from the past or worries about the future. And now we all see in her a big contradiction, as she still looking for revenge for something that happened years ago.
It seems to me that after all this testimonials have come up, Barbara is running out of material to write about, after all this time no one can’t continue to keep up with the same drama that happened long time ago, specially in the Internet, which always requires more and more information that is new and relevant today, therefore the need to extract more content and distort it and therefore the need to contact Belsebuub.
About all this testimonials and responses, I find them extremely relevant and valid today, because although they are clearing out something that happened long time ago, they are addressing an issue that is happening in this very moment. Is in this moment that a hate site is up there to mislead people, and is in this moment that people’s lives are under threat, and is in this moment that all this false accusations about all other groups are live on the Internet.
Is in this moment that our efforts to help people are clashing with her efforts to discredit the teachings and Belsebuub, and time keeps going by. How long more can this last? Time will keep passing, and so our lives, and life doesn’t last forever.
So @ Barbara & the MOG’s what options are out there for you to leave us in peace? What reason is impending you to live your life in this moment?
I’d like to see Barbara answer to the reality that she and Vernon and Jake were involved in the MLM/pyramid scheme *during* these attacks.
I think the sudden modification of meetup pages is fishy, and I don’t completely buy that she is no longer involved with the MLM/pyramid scheme… but surely she knows such activity *while* actively attacking Belsebuub and this community raises some serious questions!
The only “answer” I’ve heard is that she’s no longer involved. But this is not an answer. What about then?
I don’t think Barbara can respond to any of the ugly facts we have exposed because they are the truth and she knows she cannot justify her actions. Instead, she tries to dodge the questions like a politician.
Until peace finally comes, I don’t mind asking Barbara, who may be reading this, once again: please, end these attacks and let us all be in peace with each other.
Barbara,
Every day you harm yourself . You publically expose yourself to the world. You throw out in the public arena all your personal details relating to your life, your relationships, who you loved, the lack of love, the happiness in your life, the despair in your life, the activities you carry out etc…, and your continual involvement with a group you so long ago wished to have left, yet you suffer , you suffer in words read and written, all because you have dragged yourself from the very beginning into this mess of exposing your personal life for the world to see and digest. (Well what you are eating by the way is not healthy for you and not healthy for anyone) You reveal and expose yourself in so many ways, linking Nallig and Barbara back and forth. You have created a public website about yourself and your experiences and demand that no one comments about it and that now, commenting justifies gang stalking?
You come here, on Gnostic Freedom, to slander and threaten us again and again, a website created with the sole intention to speak out in defence of all your, Vernon and other people’s false accusations. Over 20 witnesses have stepped out and testified in response of the false accusations, yourself, Vernon and others have made on the MOG site in which you and Vernon launched over 2 years ago. These are not attacks, these are witness testimonies, these are a chance for people to know the ‘’other side of the story’’ in which you claim to be true.
You have slandered an entire community and attempt to silence us by your accusation of calling us ‘’gang stalkers’’. This fight in our defence is on the public arena now, you have avoided any private resolution from the get go. It was you yourself who made the first bold step on the public arena – assaulting Mark and mocking everyone who practices his teachings and supports him. You and Vernon have been involved in severe religious incitement of hatred, threatening the lives of spiritual practitioners in Cyprus who had death threats made against them in a country you knew would take dangerous actions against anything outside conventional orthodoxy, all the while, launching false televised accusations against them in Cyprus. You have never dared to reasonably resolve and put an end to this chaos unless it would satisfy your ill willed content by continuing to spread lies. You cannot silence us by trying to label our every move by this or that or the other, when in fact, you are literally stunned by the accuracy and truth in what has been exposed of you and have nothing more to say.
Let me say this again, I do not fear you Barbara. Your threats are empty. Your articles portray you as an angel, when it is not the case, it is unrealistic of anyone to be so perfect as you profess to be, yet this is the illusion you maintain of yourself and therefore you will never be able to get a grip on any reasonable solution. Every move you make is with malice against this spiritual community which in fact NEVER, EVER initiated any negative remarks against you, and only spoke out in defence AFTER YOU launched a massive smear campaign of lies, incitement of hatred, religious intolerance, slander, libel, invasion of privacy, defamation etc… against all of us here who will not have any of it. Who will not be silenced, who will speak out in our own right to defend ourselves.
If you had any reasonable evidence to counter these testimonies then by all means use your time to prove it. But forgive me if I retract what I just said, since I can imagine how hard it may be for you to have a fresh start at saying the truth considering how your entire 2 year + PR engagement project has been recently classified openly as a great lie with many people coming out to expose your deception here on Gnostic Freedom.
Yet you have no evidence and no proof any of these testimonies are wrong. Your angle instead is to throw attacks on us again, to divert attention for all the recent truth exposed against you. I wonder if you think this wasn’t obvious.
Please take a rest from threatening us. Take responsibility against these accusations on your own senses without diverting attention from it. We are on the public arena and your actions and responses are loud and clear. You made the first step here, on the podium of free speech as you recall. But there are people who hear your free speech and who say it is dishonest, do you silence us when we speak out, do you shoot us down with attacks so that only your voice can be heard, do you divert attention with more threats and attacks against us when our voice reveals your deception? Do you shake, squabble and shout when the truth is exposed, or do you play a fair game where everyone has a chance to testify against the claims made? You have cried for truth, and truth has come upon you.
Well put Olga! I echo your words and sentiments entirely.
Olga, this is truly a good and accurate summary of the situation..
I came across this interesting extract and thought I would share:
”Sociopaths have no heart, no conscience and no remorse. They think nothing of lying, cheating and stealing.
Think you can spot a sociopath? Think again. Sociopaths often blend easily into society. They’re entertaining and fun at parties. They appear to be intelligent, charming, well-adjusted and likable. The key word is “appear.” Because for sociopaths it’s all an illusion, designed to convince you to give them what they want.
Sociopaths are masters of manipulation.”
You know I keep wishing her to come to her senses, and end this smear campaign and take down her hate site.. But more and more, and especially lately, when the truth about her behavior and what she has been involved in is coming up, all the ramifications of her well-written tabloid stories, knowing that she has incited hatred and put others in mortal dangers by writing them (she cannot deny that, she was aware of the real death threats some people were put under), I have been wondering if she is actually physically able to stop herself…
I hope she is, I hope sincerely she truly is…
It is ironic that Barbara is a public figure, with her own website, promoting things to the public, yet we are supposedly not allowed to look at the public website. Not only that, Barbara has used ‘is a public figure’ to stamp out MP and the GM. Anyone is entitled to write their opinion about Barbara’s website on any opinion blog, that is what free speech is all about, as Barbara supposedly knows. Now some people might also feel they need to protect the public from Barbara’s influence, especially in light of the deception and anonymity she has used to harrass, defame and destroy other people.
Indeed it is ironic and hypocritical of Barbara.
I was recently reading one of the articles on here that John has linked to above which in part talks about that unethical and biased TV show in Cyprus and its host;
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/persecution-gnostics-in-greece-cyprus/
I decided to google the host’s name to see what kind of a journalist would go along with such a one sided show that amounted to slander and religious persecution against this community and helped to incite hatred & death threats and I found this ironic write up about her;
“Elita Michailidou, apart from the fact that she is one of the most beloved TV personas in Cyprus, is a person that believes in values like compassion, cooperation, justice and helping each other.”
– what a total hypocrite in light of her role in agreeing to host that appalling show which went totally against these qualities she is promoted to have!
If you google that quote above you’ll find some other ironic stuff too.
Very interesting David – it shows that Barbara, Vernon, and Elita are actually business partners and reveals how much of a set-up the TV show in Cyprus was – they are good friends and colleagues helping each other out!!
And Barbara, who accuses TGM of being a cult that brainwashed her and forced her to overwork etc etc, boasts that she “worked simultaneously as a volunteer for a non-profit organisation where she was involved in event coordination, advertising, publicity, website management, accounts, teacher training and administration” in her biography.
What…volunteer? not “brainwashed” minion??
What…non-profit organisation? not “dangerous cult”?
What…event coordination, advertising, publicity, website management, accounts, teacher training and administration?? not mind control, brainwashing, overwork, sleep deprivation, forced marriage, etc etc??
Hmm, I really am starting to wonder whether Barbara knows the difference between “Honesty and Lies”…?
Tonight I found a video on Elita’s page on the Sigma TV website which was a show devoted to promoting that business, “we make your dream come true”. Ah, sounds wonderful doesn’t it. I don’t speak or read Greek so I don’t know whether Elita declared during the show that she is a consultant for the business she was helping to promote on her show as I think that would have been the right thing to do. Even if she did it just goes to show the close ties she has to those attacking us and is prepared to set things up for them on TV. Not exactly an impartial and objective interviewer which I thought would be the aim of a respected journalist.
“I don’t speak or read Greek so I don’t know whether Elita declared during the show that she is a consultant for the business she was helping to promote on her show as I think that would have been the right thing to do.”
No she didn’t mention it David.
Thanks for clarifying that Christos. So Elita didn’t declare she had a vested interest in the subject she was “reporting” on? She didn’t declare any conflict of interest? Where are the standards of journalism?
A journalist with an interest in maintaining their objectivity and impartiality would have declined to do a show on a subject they have a vested financial interest in, or at least they would have declared their financial and personal links to the matter so it is all above board.
This show sounds more like a blatant advertisement for their company. It looks to me like the religious vilification show was not the only time Elita misused her position as a journalist to serve hidden agendas.
waow… just waow…
Elita Michailidou.. What a journalist indeed…
I guess Elita of Sigma TV doesn’t care to be a respectable journalist, David. She does whatever her friend and business partner, Vernon, wants, whether that’s company promotions or attacking innocent people and destroying a spiritual organization. There’s no compassion in that.
thank you Christos for confirming that.
I suppose the attackers might say that show was made before she became their business partner but it still goes to show the close ties they all have and how biased she is towards the attackers as evidenced so clearly by the witch trial show:
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/is-this-a-modern-day-witch-trial-live-on-tv/
Hi David,
Thanks for finding this. I have read the English transcript of the religious vilification show (http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/is-this-a-modern-day-witch-trial-live-on-tv/) and seen how absolutely biased and partial Elita can be. She essentially framed the entire show to assist Vernon in his vendetta.
It is unfortunately not surprising to see her acting with such a blatant conflict of interest now. She is apparently using her show to promote a business venture she is affiliated with to her loyal and trusting viewers, with no disclaimer — how can anyone believe in the objectivity of her past efforts to smear Belzebuub and The Gnostic Movement on public TV?
What a sad farce.
“boasts that she “worked simultaneously as a volunteer for a non-profit organisation where she was involved in event coordination, advertising, publicity, website management, accounts, teacher training and administration” in her biography.”
You mean that’s what she says even now, after all that campaign?
Just doesn’t make any sense…
I am absolutely flabbergasted to see that Barbara and Vernon have a business relationship with the television show host that prepared the “expose” of Mark Pritchard and The Gnostic Movement. Whether or not it existed at that time, it is a clear sign to me of how close the relationship is between them and further evidence of how biased and one-sided that show was.
It seems the lawyer who drafted the “legal opinion” that they use to support their bizarre claims of fraud in Greece is also an “advisor” to their company.
I wonder if Barbara considers it stalking to point out that several of the third party “experts” they use to give their claims credibility are actually business partners or advisors of theirs?
It is unfortunately clear how interwoven all of these affairs are — from the smear campaign to the pyramid scheme to this new business venture, facts continue to emerge that reveal how staged and manufactured their accusations and hate campaign actually are.
How can Barbara agree we have a right of defence and then complain when these matters are analysed — matters that are so relevant to the attacks that we are defending against?
What kind of defence are we actually entitled to if that is the case?
Her latest threats and bullying against this community simply confirm my perception that she has two sets of rule books — one that applies to Barbara, and one that applies to us. Her free speech is our hate speech, her research is our stalking, and so on.
I have no interest in Barbara’s strictly personal affairs. However, I believe that if Barbara wishes to carry out a mission to “expose” the “harm” of Mark and The Gnostic Movement, then the public is entitled to all the relevant facts behind those accusations.
Thank you to all who are bringing this pertinent information to light.
Hi PQ, I also saw this one:
” 5-years experience teaching self-improvement classes to adults. ”
? Oh, so was it ‘brainwashing adults’ for five years or ‘helping them with self-improvement’?
Is Barbara guilty of brainwashing people for five years, by self admittance?
The absurdity and hypocrisy of this is unbelievable!
I’m again astounded at what is discovered. On one hand, Barbara will accuse TGM of all sorts of harmful cult behaviour, yet in her teaching profile she describes her activities while involved as “5-years experience teaching meditation and self-improvement classes to adults.”
The fact that Elita on Sigma TV is a colleague of the primary attackers of this community is shocking, too! I think she clearly lacks objectivity.
@Barbara: The offer for peace still stands.
***I can’t speak for everyone here, but if your hate site came down and all the accusations of the community groups being harmful cults came down (whether they were posted by you or another member of your hate team) and your hate group stopped and removed all their lies about Belsebuub online, I personally would not post here as I would have no more purpose to do so. That’s a promise. And I’m sure everyone else here feels the same. You don’t need to deal with Belsebuub on this issue; you need to deal with us! ***
Seems it’s “brainwashing” when Barbara is trying to destroy a teacher and community she doesn’t like, and “self-improvement” when boosting her own profile.
I almost want to laugh at this absurdity but can’t when considering the reality of it all.
By the way – according to Barbara we’re all “gang stalkers” now, for simply creating a case to defend ourselves.
it is completely absurd and hypocritical for sure..
Barbara on one hand claims “Oh poor me”… “Cult” … “Brainwashed”… when her pride can’t take it that she can no longer take part in a peaceful, spiritual and ethical school (a.k.a The Gnostic Movement), and then when it suits her, describes it as a place for “self-improvement classes to adults” in HER OWN WORDS?????
Indeed, Barbara claims one thing when she doesn’t like it, and then claim its opposite when it suits her…
It only just shows to the world what she truly has become..
And please Barbara, don’t even think of bringing the story of wanted to “fill” your resume with something… You had that one-in-a-lifetime job that you also describe in that same paragraph that you got thanks to TGM…
It just shows how completely hypocritical all your statements have been…
So sad to see this…
Please stop your nonsense… The longer your hate site, the more comes to surface about who you truly have become.. Don’t you want to move on.. It is clear to everyone what your motives are: vengeance from hurt price, and same goes for Vernon, your husband..
Please guys, like Mike said so well, there is an offering of peace, don’t keep on rejecting it..
Don’t you see that your hate, lies and deceit are still not met with anything but facts, and testimonies?
Please let common sense win you over, your hate site has no use but to keep hatred churning in your heart and mind..
You will feel sooooo much better just letting go of the past, of the hate. This would not be a failure, but a victory to be able to let go of hurt pride..
I keep sincerely wishing you to do so.. And wish you to become again once more a loving and caring person, the person that all your friends described you as being in the past..
“5-years experience teaching self-improvement classes to adults.”
Just stunning hypocrisy.
I don’t even know what to say to this one.
Yes, this is very telling. If asked by a prospective employer to describe the setting in which she gained those skills, how would she describe it then?
How does she keep it all straight?
Very well pointed out Pyramid Queen!
Seems like her biographies and CVs are full of gratitude for TGM. In fact that’s how she got a highly esteemed job in the UK, with much thanks to her administering experience with TGM, and she knows it, I recall Barbara mentioning this to me and I believe Edith was even a reference for her.
Seriously, I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if she’s going to use Belsebuub as a reference next..?
Dara put it nicely:
“If she wants sympathy and revenge….she was brainwashed and overworked by a life sucking cult. If she wants a good reference for her resume, she successfully managed teams of people while tirelessly volunteering for a non-profit organization.”
It really is shameful to see that so many in the smear campaign are all really business partners. They cry that a lawyer deemed they were in the right, but how credible is such as assessment when the lawyer also happens to be their business partner? The TV show with Elita was supposedly unbiased journalism (the objectivity of which was nothing but a farce), and yet how credible is that assertion when we can plainly see that Elita and Vernon, Barbara, and Jake (all of whom were participants in the show) are all business partners?
I think that this is the most ridiculous one. How can someone be so double faced. This makes it so obvious that Barabara just seems to use anything as it suits her without any objectivity what so ever. She has been claiming how abused and over worked she was while in TGM and all those articles about it. Now when it suits her TGM becomes just an organization for which she was volunteering and helping with a wide range of tasks and resposibilities. This is trully amazing to see this double standard and hypocrisy.
Wow, no kidding you find other ironic stuff. I had no idea that Barbara, Vernon, and this talk show host Elita Michailidou were so close to each other as to be listed on the same ‘About’ webpage of business, as the board of directors and advisor for it. That means they totally benefit off each other’s good fortune in any money making or social venture.
So basically, this all comes down to financial gain, reputation boosting, power, etc.
Pyramid Queen, your comments are right on. Barbara certainly does use whatever language suits her purposes at a given moment.
If she wants sympathy and revenge….she was brainwashed and overworked by a life sucking cult. If she wants a good reference for her resume, she successfully managed teams of people while tirelessly volunteering for a non-profit organization.
So which is it? You can’t have both and still be telling the truth.
Perhaps the most ironic thing of all, is that Barbara’s contributions to TGM get a favourable mention in her bio, but her MLM or pyramid scheme promotional endeavors do not.
How ironic that after attacking us for more than two years, she mentions TGM favourably in her bio, but neglects to mention her MLM or pyramid scheme participation, which she has been defending over here?
How two-faced and utterly hypocritical is that?
As for Barbara and Vernon being in a business with Elita, well it just goes to show how much Elita has been in cahoots with them all along. Vernon is a close friend of Elita and her religious vilification show against us was clearly framed as a complete setup to smear us, and Elita displayed a complete lack of fairness and ethical standards as a journalist. The show was propaganda. Elita’s complicity and cooperation with Barbara and Vernon is even more obvious now.
Good points Matthew. Thanks for that.
“Vernon is a close friend of Elita and her religious vilification show against us was clearly framed as a complete setup to smear us, and Elita displayed a complete lack of fairness and ethical standards as a journalist.”
Yes, this latest development with all of their pictures up there together, clearly displays that they work very closely together, and leaves no question in my mind about the whole show being part of their calculated smear campaign.
Of course Elita wasn’t concerned with fairness or ethics–despite the nice words she has in her bio about ‘compassion’ and ‘justice’ and all that–what she really wanted was to further her own agenda (and those of her friends/ business partners).
The show was complete propaganda.. And Elita Michailidou was clearly not doing the job of a proper journalist during that show.
It was a complete set-up. People that were calling in favor of TGM were not allowed to speak, witnesses that were supposed to come forward and testify on the show against the accusations were told not to come any longer, and written testimonies were not read by Elita even though she had them in her hands.. Yet, people against TGM who called were given time on the air, a video was made using real pictures of our community and put on the air mixed with footage of a movie about a horrible cult, all that to give this false impression of who we were. People calling on the show who had no idea of who we were but were negative toward us (understandably after such a propaganda) were given as well time to speak against us…
And Elita claims to believe in values like compassion, cooperation, justice and helping each other ? Well it ain’t so.. Obviously she should add, “when it suits my needs and my goals… and those of my friends and business partners”…
Very good points everyone.
These contradictions reveal her hypocrisy once again.
It is really strange to praise her work with TGM and at the same time attack TGM.
I wonder if she is going to hide this mention now that her hypocrisy has been revealed in the same way that she hid her involvement in the pyramid scheme.
”I wonder if she’s going to use Belsebuub as a reference next..?”
That’s a good one Jenny. Maybe that’s the reason she wants to talk to him after all.
”I wonder if she’s going to use Belsebuub as a reference next..?”
That’s a good one Jenny. Maybe that’s the reason she wants to talk to him after all.”
That was funny Christo!
“The show was complete propaganda.. And Elita Michailidou was clearly not doing the job of a proper journalist during that show.”
Isn’t it interesting that she is the editor-in-chief for two Greek magazines? As an editor-in-chief, the final decision maker on what goes into a publication, it would seem very odd that she would not have known of the various journalistic rules that were broken during that show… It certainly makes her journalistic integrity seem rather shady. I wonder if Harper’s Bazaar, for instance, knows what’s going on at the head of their Cypriot publication? One just needs to look at the long list of wrongs committed on that show (http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/is-this-a-modern-day-witch-trial-live-on-tv/) and see the ties that Elita has to all of the “victims” she invited to the show to see that the whole thing is very fishy…
I just googled the quote, David. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It was shocking to see their pictures there on the same page, to see it displayed like that really gives an impression.
Yes, that is interesting she actually presents those values (e.g., justice), and then we see atrocious events that occurred on that show.
It seems like one reason they did it is to try to give MOG some type of credibility, for being on a show (period) and then also having the expert opinions. Maybe it did not even matter to them what a spectacle it appeared like at the time, as long as it happened and they could refer back to it.
However, now the truth has surfaced and anyone who sees their references to the show will also know the truth behind it and the relationships among the host, Barbara, Vernon, and Jake.
It certainly seems a bit two faced. From what I recall Barbara was the only ‘testimonial’ in the Cyprus hate TV show to hide her real name. At least all the others used their real names, but Barbara once again hid behind a pseudonym so that her ‘public’ persona would appear untarnished.
In the attacking MoG hate site she also hid her real name. So it’s OK for B to publicly name and vilify people she hates and wants to destroy, but not ok for people to do the same to her… or is it? After all B recently stated that ” I am prepared to take responsibility for what comes out of my actions”. So it seems for two years people related to this site have been either grossly complacent in defending themselves from B’s insults and attacks, or simply too compassionate.
It also seems that Barbara has purposely removed her real surname from public websites so that again the public can’t trace the real person and find out what type of person they are really dealing with. A person living a double life – respected, decent, normal, upstanding character in society versus anonymous malicious reputation destroyer.
Oh well, what goes around comes around: “And by the way, this is not a threat. It is called cause and effect”.
Wow, so everyone here are gang stalkers these days. I’m late to this thread but I’ve just read through everything and well, things speak for themselves. Barbara’s threats have failed, her intimidation failed, and somehow she now tries to throw a big 180, and go the poor me, everyone is attacking me route, and I will report them all to the police. Put simply, just stop Barbara. Time to pull the pin and move on. You have attacked and undermined Belsebuub, Angela, Edith, and each one of us on here beyond belief. I hope this medicine is not too hard to swallow.
Thanks for bringing this up, Shane. I think it is appropriate to consider at this point.
Members of this community have pleaded with Barbara to remove the website, ensuring that we would also remove ours, in order to end this peacefully. However, it appears that she has no intention of removing her website.
If the MOG website remains, we need to consider how the Gnostic Freedom website can best inform the public. Considering that people like us, who are searching for these teachings, may come across that horrible website, it seems like the least we can do is to provide as much information as possible to allow them to make informed decisions.
Informing the public of WHO is making these hateful accusations against this community and the spiritual teacher Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) is completely logical. When reading a news story, would you not want to know its source?
From our perspective, I do not see anything wrong with stating the facts, of what we know to be true. Persons x, y, and z initiated and maintain the MOG website and led the activities described in the Gnostic Freedom website (we wish they hadn’t, but they did).
Thanks for that summary Gabrielle – I think you put it very well.
They can claim all sorts of nonsense and attempt to categorize us and our comments endlessly, boxing us into this or that ludicrous term, but in reality, and looking at things with common sense, the fact is that they have carried out a vicious smear campaign against us in public for over two years, and here on this site, we are responding to their false allegations with our experiences of things, which I believe and know to be the truth. It’s as simple as that.
“If the MOG website remains, we need to consider how the Gnostic Freedom website can best inform the public. Considering that people like us, who are searching for these teachings, may come across that horrible website, it seems like the least we can do is to provide as much information as possible to allow them to make informed decisions.”
Gabrielle, I completely agree with you on this. The public must be informed and have the complete facts available to them if the MOG site remains up.
While I wish we didn’t have to go into so many personal details from different people’s lives , I am thankful that everyone here is taking the time to come forward, give their testimonies, and unravel the convoluted lies and subplots that keep surfacing. This all serves as a proper record of the truth, and I’m sure that anyone who is really searching for the spiritual will be able to recognize it for what it is.
Really Barbara, you talk favorably about your time in The Gnostic Movement in your bio for your advantage? How can you at all feel ok with yourself in doing that after you have labeled TGM a ‘dangerous cult’ that uses mind control? Did you mention that part in your bio?
It’s really unfair to accuse us of ‘gang stalking’. As it’s been repeatdly said here by people on this site, it is you that has brought this conflict to the public arena by making false harmful claims about our spiritual teacher Mark Pritchard-Belzebuub, about The Gnostic Movement, and this community. You have labeled our community as a ‘harmful cult’ and our spiritual teacher some kind of deviant. Do you realize that this label you put on us and your lies that you so easily write have personally had a harmful effect on each person in this communities lives?
For 2 years your site has been there comfortably, with no opposition, with no one standing up to the lies you had put out there. This community has finally taken a stand, shared our experiences and side of the story, and what we know to be the truth. Any points that have been brought up related to you are related to the lies you have put out there about The Gnostic Movement, Belzebuub, Angela, Edith, and this community, so we can defend ourselves , bring the other side to the story, and bring forth what we know to be true. This is not ‘gang stalking’. For the record I also am not googling your name on a daily basis, I have never done that nor would even think to.
Barbara, this situation is really sickening. From your actions and responses it looks like you really don’t want peace, that you want to carry on like this indefinetly.
Like Dara and others have mentioned above, if Mark we’re to respond to you, based on your previous actions, you would most likely use what ever was said against him and this community and use it to further your smear campaign. With him not responding, it seems you will feel justified in continuing on with your hate campaign.
The peace offering you made to me isn’t a true one and looks like a trap that ensures the life of your hate site and campaign.
I really hope that this doesn’t go on forever. We can peacefully end this easily with the removal of both of our websites. We’re not asking to be best friends, for a peace talk, an apology for all that has been done to us by your hate campaign, nothing confrontational. We’re just asking to end this by you taking down your website and all hateful content that is out there and in turn we’ll take down this site and related content so we can all finally move on from this mess.
Well said Jenny,
“Really Barbara, you talk favorably about your time in The Gnostic Movement in your bio for your advantage? How can you at all feel ok with yourself in doing that after you have labeled TGM a ‘dangerous cult’ that uses mind control? Did you mention that part in your bio?”
Barbara, can you understand this strong contradiction?
Can you understand that contradiction proves easily, what you do, you do it only to “defend” and feed your hurt pride?
Barbara, you should be honest and see that you are wrong. Stop this smear campaign! You don’t gain anything positive and spiritual! None of your followers will profit spiritually either! You “gain” only anger, hate and revenge! This a very poor perspective of life. I suppose that you want something better for yourself!
indeed! Well said Jenny..
Though in her latest post, “Barbara” is trying to wash off any responsibility in all the hate and smear campaign that we have been put under…
Not sure how she can so easily say that it’s not in her capacity to stop what is happening, when she is the one who instigated everything, and her husband’s company is the one hosting the hate site..
Really, who is she kidding? Her smear campaign has incited acts of vandalism with the url of the hate site labeled over defaced posters in our city.. Yet she claims she is there to protect people? How so? By destroying a community of peaceful people, inciting hatred against them?
Her hate site allows a comment made by someone about getting rid of our spiritual teacher for a price and she actually jokes about it… And when it’s pointed on our site here how grave and serious it is, the comments quickly disappear..
Trying to cover herself? Seems like it.. Now she claims she is not responsible for the site, or for the people writing the articles.. Yet she is the one who contacted and “recruited” the few of them to write against us (even stating that some of them are in therapy.. Well as psychologist, she went to ask people to take part in her revenge from hurt pride at being asked to leave our spiritual community – that does not sound very balanced to me, nor an ethical move from someone who is supposed to care for the well being of people as a psychologist, but it shows what she has become, and this explains a lot in my eyes why she was asked to leave TGM, and was denied re-entry).
Now she thinks she can conveniently hide behind them and remove all her responsibilities..
How malicious and calculated is that?
I can remember clearly when Barbara forced herself onto many of our lives, trying to cause hate and confusion.
Even ex-students contacted me to let me know that Barbara and Vernon were trying to convince many people to join them by spreading many lies.
Good points Geraldine:
“Trying to cover herself? Seems like it.. Now she claims she is not responsible for the site, or for the people writing the articles.. Yet she is the one who contacted and “recruited” the few of them to write against us (even stating that some of them are in therapy.. Well as psychologist, she went to ask people to take part in her revenge from hurt pride at being asked to leave our spiritual community – that does not sound very balanced to me, nor an ethical move from someone who is supposed to care for the well being of people as a psychologist, but it shows what she has become, and this explains a lot in my eyes why she was asked to leave TGM, and was denied re-entry).
Now she thinks she can conveniently hide behind them and remove all her responsibilities..”
Thanks for sharing that Cindy. Just one more example of how this hate campaign got started and what kinds of things they were doing to fuel it.
It’s really shameful and contradictory how Barbara plays victim in all of this, especially when you hear about her spreading lies to gain support.
It isn’t ‘exposing the truth’ when you have to lie to have people believe you. It’s just a lie.
Well said, Jenny.
This website and the activities associated are defensive in nature, and I fully support it. I feel that it is amazing how people here have pulled together to protect our rights and freedoms, and beyond that to defend and to protect what is most sacred to us.
I appreciate the efforts people here have made to present the truth. For example, Barbara tries to minimize the relevance of her involvement with a pyramid scheme. Fortunately, someone made efforts to present that information here because it is directly relevant. Barbara’s hate campaign flaunts the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA) logo, while the pyramid scheme’s founder is highly criticized by the ICSA. And there are plenty of others relevant issues with it presented here:
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/smear-campaigners-involvement-in-scam-and-pyramid-scheme/
In her most recent article, she falsely accuses the entire community of gang stalking her in an attempt to silence us. She threatens to exploit and abuse yet another law, which is intended to protect real victims, in order to make us feel afraid to speak the truth.
No one here is stalking her, and again this website is defensive in nature.
In this latest stunt, she does not appear to try to evoke sympathy (there’s no one left there to read the articles anyway). Rather, the point of the article appears to be “I found a law that I can exploit to harm you, so you better be quiet…and I mean every single one of you.”
There is an excitement coming through the article, like she could not wait to reveal the law she found. She seems so proud of herself. Maybe she thinks that she has proven something to us by sinking so low, but no one here is impressed.
This blatant disregard for the law is offensive and a trend that appears throughout the hate campaign. It resembles the boy who cried wolf, only it is much more serious to take laws for granted in this way because it weakens the structures that protect societies.
Gabrielle, I think you brought up a lot of good points here again, and I wholeheartedly support what you said: this site is indeed a defence site.
It came after her hate site, and was first filled with articles refuting the allegations made by the hate site. Not only were the perpetrators’name left undisclosed but the real reasons behind asking Barbara and Vernon to be asked to leave our spiritual community was left in general terms, to protect their privacy and so that no one could pass a judgement.. Now after over 2 years of enduring ridicule, hatred, vandalism, stalking, families being torn apart, people have come up in testimonies to tell it like it truly was. And slowly, from all these testimonies, we understand all the reasons why they were asked to leave our spiritual community.
There is not stalking here, no gang-stalking, no hatred, no harassment.. We have been attacked relentlessly for over 2 years, and we have our right to defend ourselves.
Her involvement with that pyramid scheme is actually very important, as it shows a lot about her activities while attacking us.. it is double-faced to use a certain criteria and attack us with it (falsely), and yet behind the background associate herself with someone who actually truly fits all the criteria she uses to attack Mark (Belsebuub) and us.
And now she says she has found a certain law… Like you Gabrielle, I’m not impressed either… She wants to silence us, but you can’t silence the truth… it always comes out..
Does she even realize that all she is describing actually fits and represents what she has been doing to us?
Is her hatred gone so far as to remove all common sense and replace it with a complete self-righteousness such as the end justifies the means???
“Is her hatred gone so far as to remove all common sense and replace it with a complete self-righteousness such as the end justifies the means???”
I wonder that too Geraldine. Unfortunately there is plenty of evidence to show there is truth in what you have said.
Indeed. Perhaps it’s too late for Barbara to come back to reality. Maybe she will remain self-righteous and blind to reality for the rest of her life. What a sad and empty life that would be.
“Is her hatred gone so far as to remove all common sense and replace it with a complete self-righteousness such as the end justifies the means???”
That point stood out to me too David. Well said Geraldine, and great points also Gabrielle and Jenny.
When you look at the situation it is so ridiculous. There is Barbara apparently pretending she is sincerely trying to “warn” the public about us, while at the same time she’s been helping to spruik $1000 initiation dues for membership in a MLM or pyramid scheme with an ex-felon founder, a scheme that is promising would-be recruits the “secrets” of the illuminati and other secret societies, and hidden keys to attaining untold wealth and financial freedom through paid membership and ongoing fees.
Judging by how the scheme operates to make money, it seems profiting by recruiting others into a pyramid downline payment structure is apparently it’s not-so-original hidden secret to wealth – evidently not that effective though otherwise surely Barbara would have called it a “job” and not a “hobby” and put it on her public bio, telling everyone how much financial freedom she had gained through it. After all, that’s what the scheme advertises.
On the Greek website of the scheme she’s helped organise, under the heading “Financial Freedom” it declares: “Imagine making more money in a month than most people earn in a whole year”.
Given that Barbara helped to spruik paid membership to this scheme offering recruits financial freedom, I think it is very telling that she only calls her role in it a “hobby” and not a “job”, when the scheme clearly markets itself as a commercial opportunity, and she and her crew were telling would-be recruits that joining can enable you to make a fantastic income.
If these financial claims are valid, then wouldn’t Barbara, as someone promoting and presumably endorsing such claims, have made lots of income from the scheme herself? If so, then why does she call it hobby when a commercial incentive is clearly being promoted? And if not, then wouldn’t it be wrong or hypocritical to promote such seemingly dubious inducements to others?
Could this mean the claims she spruiked do not add up? Could this be false, misleading or at least extremely exaggerated advertising?
I think the fact that Barbara mentioned her time in The Gnostic Movement favourably in her bio, but did not mention this scheme at all, shows that deep down she too must realise it is dodgy, and that the Gnostic Movement is reputable. It seems to me that deep down she knows her smear campaign is not much to brag about either, because her bio also says nothing about that.
Whether she consciously admits it to herself or not, I think her bio is basically acknowledging that volunteering for TGM was an admirable endeavour. Conversely I think her silence in her bio about her smear campaign and MLM or pyramid scheme promotional endeavours undertaken while attacking us, speaks volumes about the lack of propriety of those endeavours. In other words, I reckon with her silence about such activities she seems to acknowledge that these “hobbies” are not reputable; in contrast, by detailing her achievements in the Gnostic Movement it seems to show she considers her involvement with it as commendable and respectable, if it’s something she considers worth telling the public about.
So does this mean that Barbara is ashamed of her MLM or pyramid scheme endeavours? And is she also ashamed of her smear campaign and could that be why she does not use her real name while undertaking it? Or could it be that she herself is aware of her own hypocrisy, and is trying to live a double life: one life projected to the public as professional and respectable and the other, more devious existence, concealed in the shadows and hidden under anonymity?
To me it is staggering that after two years of relentlessly attacking us while hiding behind anonymity she has such nice things to say about her time in the Gnostic Movement in her official bio, and nothing favourable to say at all about these activities she’s coordinated during the past two years.
It is very telling isn’t it?
You make some very logical and common sense observations there Matthew about what is in and what is not in her bio. I agree, it is very telling and I don’t see how she can try to defend it otherwise but then again she is prone to anti-logic these days.
Matthew, as already mentioned by David you’ve made some very logical comments.
There’s never been anything proper about Pyramid Schemes and there can never be. Over the years many people have been ripped off by these Pyramid Schemes, and I can not see anything different about Barbara’s endeavour.
Well Said Matthew.
“If these financial claims are valid, then wouldn’t Barbara, as someone promoting and presumably endorsing such claims, have made lots of income from the scheme herself? If so, then why does she call it hobby when a commercial incentive is clearly being promoted? And if not, then wouldn’t it be wrong or hypocritical to promote such seemingly dubious inducements to others? “
This is very clear to me Matthew, Barbara has shown that there is no boundary to her hypocrisy.
Excellent points you bring forward.
“When you look at the situation it is so ridiculous. There is Barbara apparently pretending she is sincerely trying to “warn” the public about us, while at the same time she’s been helping to spruik $1000 initiation dues for membership in a MLM or pyramid scheme with an ex-felon founder, a scheme that is promising would-be recruits the “secrets” of the illuminati and other secret societies, and hidden keys to attaining untold wealth and financial freedom through paid membership and ongoing fees.”
“I think the fact that Barbara mentioned her time in The Gnostic Movement favourably in her bio, but did not mention this scheme at all, shows that deep down she too must realise it is dodgy, and that the Gnostic Movement is reputable. It seems to me that deep down she knows her smear campaign is not much to brag about either, because her bio also says nothing about that.”
This is so true. Why would she put TGM in her bio and not reference the MLM scheme that she more currently actively promotes?
I think it’s for the exact reasons you pointed out–she knows, deep down that pyramid schemes are shady business, and defaming others on your very own hate site is not something to brag about either.
Good points that you brought up, Matthew.
It’s really telling Matthew, and also really bizarre of Barbara to use her time in TGM to try and further her reputation/life while at the same time using her time in TGM to ruin other peoples reputations/lives.
Really, really bizarre.
And there really isn’t a way to make the MLM/Pyramid scheme a hobby from the way it seems with the one she was involved with and others I have seen. Once you become involved you have to do quite a bit of work to help maintain it and recruit new people to keep it going. Not something you do once a month if you expect to actually make any income from.
It’s doubly strange to think someone involved in that could actually point a finger at anyone with the words ‘cult’ on their lips, considering that whole system is set up to intentionally mislead people again and again.
Great points Matthew, indeed it is very telling and puts Barbara in a very funny predicament.
I also think that your observations are very important Matthew.
Barbara still publicly praises in her own way the activities and projects of The Gnostic Movement and consequently the people that work on them. At the same time she attacks viciously The Gnostic Movement and everyone involved in it.
I don’t really think that she has done something like this accidentally or naively. I think that she was quite honest when she wrote all these things in her business profile.
But that is quite confusing because a person that wants to stop being associated with an organisation and any of its activities would normally erase any traces of their involvement into it and not praise it in any way, even indirectly. Especially not when they have an agenda against it. It is common sense that an action like this refutes any of her allegations of brainwashing, misuse of donations etc etc.
But Barbara seems to have this strange double personality. One that is a seemingly spiritual, good and honest person and one that is vicious and revengeful. One that praises and one that attacks.
If I didn’t know better I would think that we were dealing with two different people here.
Barbara continues to attack us to try and stop our defense. She’s continuously tried to bully, control, and threaten us because we are exposing her many lies.
Well said Geraldine.
“There is not stalking here, no gang-stalking, no hatred, no harassment.. We have been attacked relentlessly for over 2 years, and we have our right to defend ourselves.”
”In this latest stunt, she does not appear to try to evoke sympathy (there’s no one left there to read the articles anyway). Rather, the point of the article appears to be “I found a law that I can exploit to harm you, so you better be quiet…and I mean every single one of you.”
There is an excitement coming through the article, like she could not wait to reveal the law she found. She seems so proud of herself. Maybe she thinks that she has proven something to us by sinking so low, but no one here is impressed.
This blatant disregard for the law is offensive and a trend that appears throughout the hate campaign. It resembles the boy who cried wolf, only it is much more serious to take laws for granted in this way because it weakens the structures that protect societies.”
Spot on Gabrielle. Its completely accurate to say that what Barbara is doing is against the public order of society, misusing laws and manipulating serious issues to suit her selfish agenda with whatever means she can find.
Thanks for that Gabrielle – all very important points you’ve raised.
I find it appaling that the real victims here in this tragedy are being mocked and bullied not only by Barbara’s latest article, but also adding insult to injury, she presents herself as the victim. It’s like a big joke, only it’s not funny.
Here’s hoping that people who know what’s going on continue giving their opinions and comments here so that no one else is fooled by the ongoing smear campaign.
“There is an excitement coming through the article, like she could not wait to reveal the law she found. She seems so proud of herself. Maybe she thinks that she has proven something to us by sinking so low, but no one here is impressed.”
Yeah, I got the sense of that too. It’s valid as well what you point out about her ‘crying wolf’ with this kind of a serious law.
Really unacceptable actually, especially since the only reason we are here having to defend ourselves is because she set up shop with all of her accusations and lies, over on the MoG site. It’s pretty ridiculous to think we would just be okay with so much slander, distortion and falsity being put out there against Mark (Belsebuub) and this community.
It’s not okay and it needs to stop. I don’t understand what Barbara’s objective is in all of this in the long term. It seems pretty plain after hearing all of the witness accounts of the circumstances in which she was removed from the movement and how she handled it afterwards that led her to start this smear campaign. It’s sad that it was started in the first place, but seriously, why continue it? Especially when you are in the wrong.
The sheer number of people who benefit from, want to practice, and continue to practice the teachings of Belsebuub, compared with the less than a handful of people opposing/spreading lies about Belsebuub and the teachings, speaks very clearly to me.
It says to me that despite Barbara’s continued efforts to distort reality – the truth is there for all to see.
Good points Gabrielle.
Another interesting thing to note about Barbara’s latest blog, is that it’s all smoke and mirrors. She quotes something to attempt to look authoritative, but what is she actually quoting? Some web article – not a law. There is not a single law referenced anywhere in the entire piece. There is just a wild claim that we are “gang stalking” which is against the law, and the “proof” is a cut and paste job from an article irrelevant to our situation.
This is a classic Barbara approach to appear intimidating and legalistic, when she is not. Read her blog superficially, and it looks like she really knows what she is talking about and is backed up by the law. Look into it, and you see the argument does not hold weight, and her claims are groundless. She just quotes some article out of context and tries desperately to make it apply to her situation, that’s all.
We are clearly not gang stalking. She started a public smear campaign and we have simply responded with our side of the story. Incidentally, elsewhere on her hate site she says this: “I actually expected them to fight back in defence and that is fair enough. They have their right to put forward their side of the story.” Now she accuses us of gang stalking. Very contradictory.
I think if anyone is guilty of gang stalking it is the MOG hate crew who have persistently published information and speculation about Mark Pritchard’s private life in a misleading, defamatory and hateful manner, as well as harassed our community, including publishing a blacklist of all groups practicing these teachings.
I also agree with Gabrielle that by playing the victim Barbara is making a mockery of real victims who actually should be protected by the law. In Barbara’s case, she and her crew published many damaging claims about Belsebuub and our community, and we have simply responded with our side of the story about them and what really happened concerning the events and claims she and others have written about. Just because she does not like to hear our side of the story and the facts we bring to light, it does not mean it is gang stalking.
I agree, Matthew; the MOG hate crew is totally guilty of gang stalking if ever there were such a thing. And if it is illegal then I pray Justice is enforced!
Jordan, you made a great point how Barbara presents herself as the victim and insults the true victims. I find it really disturbing and sad.
For every false accusation Barbara and her hate team make, there is an actual wrongdoing they have committed themselves.
Barbara and her hate team gang stalk Mark and Angela, and they accuse us.
Barbara and Vernon force their will upon others, and they accuse TGM of doing so to them.
Barbara blames Mark for her failed marriage when there are witness accounts to the fact she admitted she lacked love for her husband (i.e. that was the cause of the marriage failing).
Barbara likens TGM to a cult, but she joins and promotes a MLM/pyramid scheme with a founder who is an ex-felon and has been documented on a cult studies website.
The only exception to her likening TGM to a cult is when her work with TGM goes on her curriculum vitae…
That’s very good information you’ve posted Matthew.
Also in your comment below, you show how once again Barbara demonstrates her hypocrisy.
“Incidentally, elsewhere on her hate site she says this: “I actually expected them to fight back in defence and that is fair enough. They have their right to put forward their side of the story.” Now she accuses us of gang stalking. Very contradictory.”
That’s very interesting about the fake gang stalking law, Matthew.
I am really floored by this. It’s just such disregard for the truth.
Personally, it never occurred to me that she would actually reference a fake law. Looking back, I remember thinking it sounded a little out there, but I assumed she would not lie about something that is so easy to verify.
I am glad you caught this. I will certainly be looking at any future articles, if any, much closer. I hope others who come across her website will get the chance to read your post.
I am pretty surprised too. It’s bad enough to inappropriately throw around accusations based on a real law but to use a fake law? It seems sort of ridiculous, and in a way, desperate.
And she makes it so “real” and convincing with terms like highly criminal, repeated over and over… But that’s how she has written all her articles. She knows what words and terms to use to convince. After all, it was her job (per that bio of hers) to write important speech for well-known people.
Yet it is all superficial, make-believe, sensational etc.. A crafty art.. But for a tabloid…
Which is now what she has become: a person who writes hate pieces for a tabloid she leads.. While involving herself in an MLM/pyramid scheme organisation led by an ex-felon.. stating in her bio that her time with TGM was beneficial… but secretly attacking it under different usernames..
And she continues to twist truth, facts and events to comply with her agenda.. This is truly ridiculous..
But now her plot is completely revealed for what it is, and no one can be left in the doubt as to what is true and what is not..
Geraldine I totally agree with you there… Barbara has become a sensationalist tabloid writer for her own online publication.
It doesn’t seem to matter to her whether anything is based on truth, whether real or fake laws are made up…what matters is the emotional impact and shock value of what she writes.
These actions completely invalidate any shred of credibility she may claim to have.
The hypocrisy of Barbara continues to astound me!
Matthew, reading your overview of all of these really hypocritical points leaves me shaking my head in bewilderment, especially these points you made:
“So does this mean that Barbara is ashamed of her MLM or pyramid scheme endeavours? And is she also ashamed of her smear campaign and could that be why she does not use her real name while undertaking it? Or could it be that she herself is aware of her own hypocrisy, and is trying to live a double life: one life projected to the public as professional and respectable and the other, more devious existence, concealed in the shadows and hidden under anonymity?
To me it is staggering that after two years of relentlessly attacking us while hiding behind anonymity she has such nice things to say about her time in the Gnostic Movement in her official bio, and nothing favourable to say at all about these activities she’s coordinated during the past two years.”
Really, what does she have to say about these things? What can she say? Her hypocrisy, lack of integrity, and deceit really show throw with these points.
What you point out about her recent claims of ‘gang stalking’ are really telling.
The truth of this entire situation continues to shine through more and more in defense of Belsebuub, these sacred teachings, The Gnostic Movement, and this spiritual community.
“The truth of this entire situation continues to shine through more and more in defense of Belsebuub, these sacred teachings, The Gnostic Movement, and this spiritual community.”
That’s right Jenny, finally after so long it’s really good to see the defense against these terrible lies come together.
Also, a special thanks to the people who have come forward to share their witness accounts, and to everyone else who has supported this defense in one way or another.
Can you imagine what it would be like without a defense? What a terrible injustice would be left for Belsebuub and the teachings.
Well-laid out Matthew. I saw immediately how she was simply pasting that lengthy explanation of gang stalking as an attempt to appear a legitimate victim of a criminal act. Very superficial.
I think she’s grasping at straws. Even though as you mentioned she stated on her hate site that it’s “fair enough” for us to “put forward [our] side of the story”, I’m not surprised she has contradicted herself now. What else can we expect after all we’ve seen from her during this sad campaign against Belsebuub.
Yep, wouldn’t be the first time unfortunately. I think it’s almost a tactic of sorts Barbara is employing as part of her game, always stating something like “I’m ok with it, please, give your side of the story,” so that it looks like she’s so certain of the validity of her claims that she’s not afraid if anyone responds to them, while in reality, as soon as anyone does put up a response that contradicts her allegations in any way, shape, or form, she then attacks it, cries foul in one way or another, and demands that we are silenced or it gets removed.
It’s all been set up in such a way where she attempts to make it so you just can’t win, similar to the way that the anticult groups have concocted their silly “warning signs” and classification schemes that could be applied in such a way that any group would be a cult if they’d like it to be. It’s really starting to look as though she’s been “borrowing pages from their books” all along to form her smear campaign…
I definitely agree Barbara has borrowed pages from the anti-cult groups Jordan, but not the pages denouncing Multi-Level Marketing. It seems she turned a blind eye to those and just picked out the parts that suited her.
I personally find it amazing how Barbara tries to look convincing and credible on the surface, but when you look deeper there are so many contradictions – spruiking an MLM or pyramid scheme while calling us a cult being an obvious one. Inconsistencies and discrepancies like that appear throughout her campaign.
I think Barbara excels at dissembling and presenting information highly selectively and deceptively to suit her purposes while carefully masking other things. But thanks to the efforts of everyone speaking out here, I think her hypocrisy and hidden agenda has become more and more obvious and she can’t pull the wool over people’s eyes so easily now.
Very well said Jonathan, Jordan and Matthew.
We have been framed. And here and there Barbara slips and along with many people’s efforts to unravel her scheme, slowly and surely, this entire set-up is getting revealed.
I liked what you said here Matthew:
”I personally find it amazing how Barbara tries to look convincing and credible on the surface, but when you look deeper there are so many contradictions – spruiking an MLM or pyramid scheme while calling us a cult being an obvious one. Inconsistencies and discrepancies like that appear throughout her campaign.
I think Barbara excels at dissembling and presenting information highly selectively and deceptively to suit her purposes while carefully masking other things. But thanks to the efforts of everyone speaking out here, I think her hypocrisy and hidden agenda has become more and more obvious and she can’t pull the wool over people’s eyes so easily now.”
Indeed, an incredible amount of Barbara’s efforts have outlined a very superficial argument, but its just amazing how recently so many comments and articles coming out are dismantling this horrible plotting Barbara has dedicated her life towards.
On the surface, Barbara cries cult at TGM, yet at the same time she has believed in, promoted, supported and administered her pyramid scheme and shrugs off countless ‘authentic’ legal rulings against its founder.
Her weakness is the very fact that she’s been superficial all along, ommitting the depth of truth that now is breaking her story apart.
It is tragic how many people have been lured into her morbid entertainment, and I only hope they have a chance to now see precisely how this setup came to be and the true side of Barbara opening up for the world to see.
”She quotes something to attempt to look authoritative, but what is she actually quoting? Some web article – not a law.”
There you have it. How incredibly things like this change the whole outlook of what Barbara is doing. All you need is truth.
You’ve explained everything very well Matthew. Thank you for this.
I think this latest post in the MOG hate site also shows how she twists their own doings describing them as quest for truth and free speech while our own efforts she descibes them as stalking.
It is very true that her posting could very easily (and more accurately if you ask me) be used to describe their ”gang” and their activities especially when they started with their campaign.
It is really sad that her self-righteousness does not allow her to see how wrong she is and how much harm she causes.
Thanks for highlighting the facade Matthew.
This example of the “fake law” really is an example of the basis of the smear campaign as a whole, it is all “smoke and mirrors”.
Well said Jenny…I agree with you and how you have summed up the ‘hidden agenda’ that is playing out. I guess we can all sense what is happening here from the evidence and actions of those responsible.
All the strength.
Well said Matthew
It would be quite laughable if it wasn’t so serious
What she is trying to claim about us yet on the other hand this is exactly what she is doing; it can sometimes be hard for a person to see through their own clouds of perception.
After so many testimonies and witness accounts of what truly happened, after so many people confirming these accounts where else can you continue to go with this scam of a hate campaign? Surely ‘B’ must realise that she has no where else to go with this, that there is nothing else to claim as we all know that whatever she claims about Belsebuub, TGM and this community will be only be a distorted version of reality in order to further her own ambitions. It’s time for harm and damage to stop, it’s time that this pride-fuelled hate site came down and ‘B’ moved on with her life in a positive way.
Thank you everyone for continuing to defend what we know to be true and important.
It really does seem like Barbara is grasping for straws at this point.
“Surely ‘B’ must realise that she has no where else to go with this, that there is nothing else to claim as we all know that whatever she claims about Belsebuub, TGM and this community will be only be a distorted version of reality in order to further her own ambitions. ‘
I’m amazed at how long she has been able to go so far–and I think it’s exactly like you’re saying, she seems to just be twisting and reshaping distorted stories again and again. There is no new story–the only thing left for her to publish on her blog is half truths and rehashed non-events.
“There is no new story–the only thing left for her to publish on her blog is half truths and rehashed non-events.”
Totally agree. I don’t know how it’s possible this has dragged on for so long when it hasn’t been based on truth. I guess it reminds me of how the celebrity tabloids work. They just keep reporting the same story over and over and over, changing one or two things now and again, to make it seem like something is still going on or there was some original validity to it. But it’s really just a manipulative way to present false information so it seems believable.
A scam indeed Paty.
Since the beginning she has distorted truths, twisted facts and lied shamelessly.
And it was sad that there were people even from within the Movement that believed her.
But once the truth came out like a wave washed away even the strongest of her lies. I hope people that left because of her deception will now see the truth and come back to their senses.
Well, it’s very clear now Christos.
“Since the beginning she has distorted truths, twisted facts and lied shamelessly”
Forcing students to have to walk through manure and then passing it off as a spiritual exercise is just plain cruel. What a terrible impression that must of have made on so many of the students – it’s no wonder that they decided to leave when they were under Vernon’s domineering direction. Never have I ever encountered anything remotely close to that at any of the retreats I’ve ever attended, including one as a student at a retreat with Edith and Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub). That particular retreat experience was an inspiration and the practices were set up in a way that people always had the choice to participate in them or not. That’s the difference – no one was ever coerced to do anything against their will or better judgement. I hope those former students can one day read these witness accounts and come to a realization that Vernon’s unscrupulous tactics were never acceptable or tolerated by this community.
You are quite right Christos, all these testimonies have been like a tidal wave of truth, one after another. she has lost all credibility.
“You are quite right Christos, all these testimonies have been like a tidal wave of truth, one after another. she has lost all credibility.”
Hence why she is now trying to bully us and threaten us with so called “gang-stalking” law which is a law that does not even exist… The truth is the truth whether she likes it or not, it stands as it is..
“I think Barbara excels at dissembling and presenting information highly selectively and deceptively to suit her purposes while carefully masking other things. But thanks to the efforts of everyone speaking out here, I think her hypocrisy and hidden agenda has become more and more obvious and she can’t pull the wool over people’s eyes so easily now.”
This is very well said Matthew.
indeed Jordan… how can they go around and still make all these claims..
As more and more facts are coming up, it all becomes too clear what this hate campaign is about and what type of people are behind them…
“I have no problem with your business, nor who you associate with. I do have a problem however with your false accusations against this community and its spiritual teacher, and I find the information posted above as further clear evidence that the smear campaign is just that, and nothing more than a vehicle to suit your harmful and vengeful agenda.”
Well said Jordan, and I have to agree wholeheartedly.
Just when I thought nothing more could surprise me about Barbara and Vernon’s behavior and choices, I see this. Wow.
To paint TGM in a positive light for Barbara’s own benefit while simultaneously accusing TGM of being a cult etc, is as others have said: astounding, hypocritical and very revealing of the truth. Also, to be working closely with those responsible for the witch hunt displayed on that tv show, wow…
I think Jenny put it pretty well regarding that:
“They cry that a lawyer deemed they were in the right, but how credible is such as assessment when the lawyer also happens to be their business partner? The TV show with Elita was supposedly unbiased journalism (the objectivity of which was nothing but a farce), and yet how credible is that assertion when we can plainly see that Elita and Vernon, Barbara, and Jake (all of whom were participants in the show) are all business partners?”
More and more, I begin to see the shaky structure that Barbara and those in her campaign have built upon to attack and accuse. Riddled with deceit, lies and manipulation…something like that just cannot stand up against the truth.
Great reference points Jordan. It goes again to show that what Barbara writes is unreliable and lacks any credability. Her writing is littered with deception and distortion to ensnare people for her own gain.