I met Mark and Edith in 1997 at the first centre they started in NSW, Australia. My husband and I were also fortunate enough to live with them, for several months, on more than one occasion. I therefore would like to share my perception of them as people.
They are spiritual teachers, offering a wonderful opportunity to better oneself not only spiritually but personally, through simple and practical techniques. They are also beautiful individuals, who live modestly, dedicating their lives to helping humanity, to show anyone who is open minded enough to understand the profoundness, difficulty but yet simplistic techniques to self-awakening.
Mark has a gentle yet profound nature which exudes honesty, wisdom and simplicity, with a great sense of humour. His humour is clean, honest and just, and through it he often gives insights into life. Besides providing the teachings, his deep knowledge of life and the universe is great yet never flaunted. He emanates love, compassion and humbleness. It is also obvious how he loves nature; he gets a childlike glee about him in the presence of the beauty of nature and animals, and sadness when faced with its destruction and injustice. He has a keen interest in music, the arts and history.
Edith is energetic and knowledgeable about life, and is easy to talk to. She often uses day to day generic examples to help one understand the depth of things about life and beyond. Although she is petite in structure she emanates strength. Smiles and laughter comes to her with ease; here again there is no sarcasm or maliciousness in her humour. This to me means a lot, because if you reflect for a moment, you will realise that this type of humour is rare in this world today, unless laughing with little children.
After all they have done for us over all these years, it’s sad and frustrating to witness what Mark and Edith have to now face from disgruntled and dishonest ex-students; constantly having to deal with frequent waives of negativity.
I have witnessed Mark and Edith suffer many difficult circumstances and injustices while trying to spread the Gnostic teachings; with all that difficulty, they both show great stamina and resilience and somehow manage to remain compassionate, while overcoming consistent obstacles being thrown their way from all directions.
Read the firsthand 
Thanks for this simple truthful account.
I like what you say here: “Mark has a gentle yet profound nature ………….. his deep knowledge of life and the universe is great yet never flaunted.” What you mention is something that is quite apparent through all his books, videos etc. and also in the audio talks and articles which are available for anyone to hear.
Their resilience and true perseverance, when I think about it, is really rather impressive. Facing difficulties, injustice and negativity and yet they manage to keep going. I’m so glad that they did and do, if they had stopped I would simply not have access these wonderful teachings. Thank you so much.
I first met Mark and Edith in 2006, and have worked closely with them the past few years. I may not have known them for as long as you have, but I wholeheartedly share the same experience with them as you. You describe them so well. They are both such gentle, humble, caring people that work really hard to help others spiritually. You accurately describe their sense of humor. It is so great and refreshing to be around a humor like that, one that isn’t negative or at another person’s expense. I’ve also observed how much they both love and appreciate nature and have observed that child like glee.
I agree that it is really terrible all of the awful things that have been said about Mark and Edith by a few negative, dishonest students. None of the terrible things that the hate says about Mark and Edith are true and has definitely not been my experience with them.
I am really thankful to have gotten to know and work closely with Mark and Edith Pritchard over the past few years. They both have helped me immensely and I really value their friendship and all that they have done for me and for humanity.
Thank you very much for this account!
Mark and Edith are genuine people. I value them in my heart!
Thank you for this very accurate and perceptive account.
I have met both Mark and Edith several times and worked closely with Edith in particular on many projects.
I can confirm everything you’ve written as far as my experience goes.
I wrote a lot about my experience with Mark in a personal testimonial, but I want to add that Edith is truly a remarkable person too, one of the most selfless, energetic, and altruistic people I’ve known. Working with Edith shows you what it means to truly care for others since she demonstrates this so completely and consistently.
I also know what you mean about their sense of humor. Mark and Edith really demonstrate what earth would be like with a more spiritually aware humanity. It’s only sad that we don’t have more people like them!
A true account, as that is my experience too.
Karim that is so spot on. All of Mark’s (Belsebuub’s) works whether it be books, videos or articles are a testimony to this account about Mark. You don’t have to know Mark in person to see how true this whole website is, one just needs to go to his ebooks, videos, articles, audios and his website, which are all free of charge, to see the character of Mark and be touched by his authenticity.
Thank you so much for this account, Mark and Edith are as lovely, honest and genuine as you have described them.
It’s really nice to read this. Even though I personally only met Mark and Edith once during a retreat here in Canada, I got the same impressions that you describe having known them for so long, just being around them for a short time.
At one point during the retreat, a group of us sat with Edith, asking her questions and having discussions about the spiritual work. Even just sitting there listening to her answer other peoples questions I observed how she loved and cared for these teachings and for us; there seeking guidance. I had this thought or feeling that she was like another Mother to me in how wonderful, trusting and patient she was and it was amazing to be able to discuss spirituality with her without feeling judged or anything. It’s a bit hard to describe. I just felt and still feel very grateful for her help during that retreat and it was just one tiny experience. I can only begin to fathom the amount of work Edith and Mark have done for humanity while asking nothing in return.
I can only agree with what others have said. You have really captured and explained Mark and Edith’s true nature very well. I love the way you described their wonderful sense of humour free of any malice or sarcasm. It truly is something very rare in this world.
Unfortunately, I noticed that Barbara and Vernon seemed very jealous of Edith in their last days in The Gnostic Movement. It was like they just could not handle the fact that people — whether Mark or other members — perhaps respected her more than people respected them. They even tried to make the admin team we were on send a bossy email to her in what looked like an attempt to assert their authority over her. They didn’t understand that respect cannot be forced on others, but is something earned, yet that is what they tried to do.
How different Mark and Edith are to those two, and how sad it is that such wonderful people have been attacked in such a petty and savage way. From my experience, I can say that your account accurately describes how Mark and Edith really are.
“How different Mark and Edith are to those two, and how sad it is that such wonderful people have been attacked in such a petty and savage way. From my experience, I can say that your account accurately describes how Mark and Edith really are.”
Exactly. The hate site speaks for itself in revealing Vernon’s and Barbara’s character, while Mark and Edith are just how people have described them here.
Hi Mathew,
Something struck me when I read this from you. I remember now Barbara mentioning this once to me with Vernon there, in a mocking way, as though enjoying the fact to be able to say it, that they had to hurry up Edith about some of her duties and sent her or wanted to send her an email to reprimand her.
Not only is it appalling that they showed so much disrespect for someone who has devoted their life without compromise for others and in helping others, worst of all they tried to influence others to join their sentiment, taking chances wherever they could with their negative commments and gossip – all the while forming their band of loyal associates while probably maintaining them throuch psychological games and boosting eachother’s pride.
I’ve known Mark and Edith for many years and have also worked very closely with both of them. Both are great spiritual teachers who selflessly work to help anyone who is searching for inner peace and to connect with The Divine.
They are truly very kind, and gentle people and unless you had some sort of personal vendetta, it would be impossible to speak a single bad word about either of them.
Thanks for your nice account of two very nice people.
I to have know Mark and Edith for a long time and have worked closely with them on different projects and I can personally testify to all that has been said here, the experience with them and through the teachings that Mark has given have been a pivotal part in my life, the wealth of knowledge that Mark has is endless, even today I often listen to his talks and they never fail to inspire me, I really miss the Sunday morning talks they were the highlight of my week
Thank you so much for your testimony on the character of Mark and Edith. I thought it was very well written.
I can also attest that there are no two people so full of kindness and non judgement then Mark and Edith. I too remember the gentleness and joy they radiate when amongst nature and wildlife. It was always so refreshing and inviting to see someone take a break and appreciate nature with such happiness and love.
I have only met Mark a few occasions, and recall his extreme love and care of the teachings, never emphasising himself as a teacher, I never got this impression that he took attention on himself, in fact sometimes I had to really step close to listen to advice that he was giving, and it was always non intrusive and subtle, whereas I remember from Vernon or Barbara, they were very keen on putting forth their opinions, and teacher status, forcing suggestions in renovations etc..
On the other hand I remember working on centre tasks or other projects with Edith, and she was very easy going with other peoples ideas and freedom, never pushing her suggestions but always listening with patience and understanding, every time, giving way to other peoples opinions.
What was also interesting, was that Vernon was known to be sitting behind his laptop when heavy renovation work was being done in centres, however Edith was always on full force working and cleaning harder than anyone and being part of a community. To me she always lead by example and not by words.
I was also very fortunate to work closely with other members who really showed a very supportive and encouraging role in various projects, very different to the approach of Vernon or Barbara and I could sense a strong community and sisterhood or brotherhood in working together.
Working closely with Edith on many projects, I can only attest to her strong, loving, charismatic character, always full of humour and wisdom. A mother in the truest sense, so caring about each person, there are not enough words to describe how much love she brings to others. Over the years I have come to know her as a great friend, and I have been always greatful for every moment I have shared with her to tune in to a person who has so much love for humanity and for the teachings. Such people who care so much for others, are truly rare these days.
The malicious statements from the hate site do not ring true, and seem indeed stemming from jealously. I can not even imagine how much injustice and negativity has been struck against Mark and Edith and I wish so much that all of this hate against them could be put to an end.
I also regret that I could not stand up earlier to give my support for Mark and Edith, and all the negativity they had to face, and for this I am so sorry, and I only wish to be here to give all my help for all the help, love and wisdom you both have given freely amid all these vicious attacks.
I’d also like to affirm that my experience with Mark and Edith has been similar to all of you and the writer of this testimony.
I’ve known them for eight years now, and I wrote a little bit about that in my write-up about finding these teachings on the personal experiences page of this site: http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/belsebuub-gnostic-movement-personal-experiences/
To sum up, clearly they go above and beyond that of spiritual teachers, doing things with such care and responsibility, and always to move forward spiritually and to selflessly bring these teachings to others. The dedication and effort they show truly exemplifies what it takes to not only change spiritually, but also to really enjoy life as it happens in each and every moment.
Btw, interestingly, here is what Barbara had to say about Belsebuub on one of those hostile anti-cult sites about four months after having been asked to leave The Gnostic Movement:
“Some here believe that Mark is someone evil and abusive, but this is put forward by people who have not even met him. I, and a good friend of mine, who is also no longer in the Movement, have met Mark on a number of occasions. He is nothing like how you describe. From both of our experience, we only found him to be someone sincere, honest and caring and a teacher who from what I have seen, teaches from the heart and with a lot of experience behind him.
He doesn’t live off donations that go into the organisation as it is said here. Several years ago I used to be the treasurer of the organisation and everything was always done by the books and by the law. No-one profits, all courses are free, everyone who works there works as a volunteer.”
This was posted of her own accord, and as I mentioned above, after having been out of the movement for about four months already. I find it very strange that only after having been definitively denied re-entry to the courses and Belsebuub’s site did she start saying completely opposite and nasty things about Mark and The Gnostic Movement.
How revealing!
Wow Jordan, that testimony that Barbara voluntarily wrote about Mark Pritchard’s character is very revealing! It’s so interesting that only four months after leaving The Gnostic Movement she describes Belsebuub as being a “sincere, honest and caring”.
I wonder what her excuse is for the change in attitude? Was this the time period where she had allegedly ‘escaped from the cult’, and was still too ‘brainwashed’ to think straight?
Or, is this how Barbara truly felt in the beginning, and only after events snowballed out of control and she felt she needed a reason to save face about all the time she previously spent devoted to spirituality…then the horrible switch happened?
Someone who posts such wildly conflicting information within the span of a few months does not seem like a credible source at all. How can we take anything that Barbara says on her hate site seriously?
Wow! I can’t believe that…
How can she go from one side to the other just like that? It definitely makes her views on Mark and Edith and the Gnostic movement in general a lot less credible to me if she goes from defending him to opposing him for not being allowed back in… Definitely very revealing!
Very interesting. Talk about a “change of heart” when she didn’t get her way!
Thanks Jordan for posting this information about Barbara. What she has written is exactly how it was. We’ve always operated by the law.
Also, Barbara always spoke very highly of Mark, and as mentioned she only began to speak badly of him after she wasn’t allowed to return to the organisation.
Great point Jordan, you have highlighted very well another example of Barbara’s two-faced approach, which has seen her completely change her story, misrepresent facts, or present information highly selectively and deceptively according to what suits her agenda. How can we ever believe anything she says when she displays such obvious duplicity?
In this case, it was only after she was denied return to the organisation that she suddenly “decided” to describe Mark in a completely different manner, and came out with her elaborate “relationship proposition hoax” which is full of holes and contradictions that have been exposed on this site.
We have nothing to go by except her word to believe her claim she was ever “propositioned” in an alleged phone call. For anyone to give her story any credence, you would have to be able to trust her word as very reliable and objective. But evidence shows that her word clearly isn’t reliable or objective. The example you brought up is a case in point – here she is, in black and white, saying the complete opposite of what she has since claimed in her smear campaign.
There are other examples too. How about having the audacity to come on this site recently and accuse a witness of cheating on her in the past when they were in an alleged “gnostic relationship”. Yet Barbara was apparently the “other woman” in an extramarital affair with that witness back then, which was before the two had committed to gnosis. An extramarital affair is clearly not a “gnostic relationship” by any stretch of the imagination! Yet Barbara had no problem completely misrepresenting the facts to make the extraordinary suggestion that by having an affair with a married man, she was being cheated on.
What sort of a person in their right mind claims that? It goes to show how logic and common sense are just lacking in this smear campaign, and they twist matters beyond the boundaries of reason to smear others.
These two examples are a few years apart, but they show the same deceptive mindset at play. To me they show why Barbara’s word is not to be trusted. (Vernon’s neither, who made people walk barefoot on thorns and wants people to believe we are the fanatics.)
Barbara has tried to write off everything she said and did in the past with the catch-all cop-out excuse that she was “brainwashed”, which is a very convenient way of sidestepping any responsibility for one’s past actions, and explain away any contradictions with present actions. Brainwashing theory having no scientific credibility anyway. But even if it did, how would she explain her recent claim she was being cheated on by having an affair with a married man, when she claims not to be brainwashed now?
And how does she explain accusing us of fraud because a member in Greece accidentally attached the wrong cover page to a document, while she participates in a dubious MLM or Pyramid Scheme with a founder who was actually convicted of fraud, and had a multi-million dollar fine imposed on him just last year? The smear campaigners accuse Mark of using the teachings to rake in riches, which is a baseless and false claim with no evidence to support it, meanwhile the people behind the site run a scheme with an ex-felon founder, through which money is openly made by recruitment. If she ever leaves this scheme, will she claim she was brainwashed by it too? Or will she take responsibility for her own actions?
Nothing she says adds up.
The amount of contradictions really is incredible, Matthew.
“Someone who posts such wildly conflicting information within the span of a few months does not seem like a credible source at all. How can we take anything that Barbara says on her hate site seriously?”
Her raves in either direction (pro Belsebuub and against him) are radically extreme. Seems to me that regardless of what the reasoning behind the postings may have been, at the source of it all there are some rather unstable and therefore unreliable tendencies there.
Seems to me like pride was a big driving factor all along behind Barbara’s and Vernon’s involvement in The Gnostic Movement, the status they “cult”-ivated for themselves within it, the competition only they perceived to exist between members to be the best members doing all the most important things, being an authority and having great esoteric experiences to brag about etc etc and that same pride which got hurt by being asked to leave by those same members they felt superior to and then being denied to come back.
The same pride which made them say and do stupid things back then and of course continues much worse unabated in the smear campaign, hence we see all these holes in their story, inconsistencies, untruths, hypocrisies etc etc.
Not that I’m without my pride but boy what a sneaky monster it is where it can make people say and do all this obviously stupid stuff and they can’t see that it is so to be able to correct themselves and transform for the better.
There is only one way in which Barbara and Vernon truly are victims in this whole drama and that is as victims of their own pride. A situation they perpetuate with the existence of their hurt pride smear campaign which obsesses them. Can they let it go and be free of the bitter monster of hurt pride which only they are responsible for?
I truly and sincerely hope so for their sake and ours.
Matthew
Thankyou for the clarity of your observations.
It is sad to see how blinded Barbara has become by her resentment. Once caught within that paradigm, it is near impossible to break out.
Do you think she is aware of the hypocrisy in her statements?
Cliff
Interesting indeed Jordan. Barbara writes this of her volition and 4 months after she was asked to leave the organisation. Well there you have it.
Barbara by your own words you have shown that all you have done in your hate campaign and hate sites is a lie. Your story has no consistancy, no integrity and no truth. You have discredited yourself completely, and all by what you yourself have written and done.
The more you write Barbara, the more you twist yourself into your own self deceit. Everyone can see that, and maybe now even your fellow attackers can see that too. You have left everyone a trail by which your lies are revealed and the many witness accounts are a testimony to that too.
You are not fooling anyone, except yourself.
Thanks for sharing this great testimonial. It really highlights the strengths and virtues of Belsebuub and Edith, and in such specific ways.
That is an interesting point regarding sense of humor, and how each demonstrates such a great sense of humor without putting others down or being sarcastic. I have noticed this, as well. Like you suggested, I think it represents their character and beyond, while also providing a great example to others.
I also appreciate your last remarks regarding their ability to remain compassionate while overcoming so much adversity. It is great to hear your experience of this, considering the length of time that you have known them.
I have met Mark and Edith several times and their strength and love amazes me. I never knew such a way of being existed until I met them. I’ve especially had many conversations with Edith and I would just feel her love for me in my heart, and I could see it in her eyes. I’ve met other “spiritual” people in the past and no one has made me feel like that before. Edith is also very strong. It’s amazing. To me she represents true beauty.
You said it so well Anne – true beauty. It comes from the heart, and you can definitely feel it emanating from Edith.
“Mark has a gentle yet profound nature which exudes honesty, wisdom and simplicity, with a great sense of humour. His humour is clean, honest and just, and through it he often gives insights into life. Besides providing the teachings, his deep knowledge of life and the universe is great yet never flaunted. He emanates love, compassion and humbleness. It is also obvious how he loves nature; he gets a childlike glee about him in the presence of the beauty of nature and animals, and sadness when faced with its destruction and injustice. He has a keen interest in music, the arts and history.
Edith is energetic and knowledgeable about life, and is easy to talk to. She often uses day to day generic examples to help one understand the depth of things about life and beyond. Although she is petite in structure she emanates strength. Smiles and laughter comes to her with ease; here again there is no sarcasm or maliciousness in her humour. This to me means a lot, because if you reflect for a moment, you will realise that this type of humour is rare in this world today, unless laughing with little children.”
You describe them so well! Thank you very much for sharing.
Yes, I remember that she posted that, that she was going around talking highly of and defending The Gnostic Movement and Belsebuub on hostile websites.
Yes, how strange and telling her actions are!
This testimony is just so beautiful, because it is true, thank you so much for writing it, it left me with a warm feeling in my heart. From the first time I read Belsebuub’s courses in pdf, I knew finally I found somebody who really KNOWS, and after meeting him and Edith in person and having an opportunity to interact with them throughout the years, I just kept being amazed at how true they are. It is really sad all the things they had to go through, but the truth always wins in the end.
I also thank you for this testimony as well. To my experience it is a really clear representation of Mark’s and Edith’s character. But as many other have said their love for spirituality and dedication to help anyone interested in taking it up is totally opposite to the claims that they have made on their hate site. I have been practicing these teachings for six years and I have never heard of any abuse or exploitation of volunteers. Everyone who chooses to take on more does so at their own will and most of the time are eager to do so. B&V have twisted many facts to suite their campaign but the gravest of all is the misrepresentation and lies about Mark and Edith. I thank everyone who has spoken out against the this tetrible injustice.
Thanks for sharing your testimony about Mark and Edith’s character.
Their life and character has been a great inspiration for me.
It is very sad to have seen their names mentioned with hate and false accusations when they have done nothing wrong. It is amazing that even among this revengeful negativity against him Mark keeps writing books and articles that are like water for someone lost in the desert.
Barbara used to mention them a lot in our discussions. She was praising them both mentioning how caring they were and how understanding Mark was if Barbara would tell him that she was overwhelmed with tasks.
She was telling us stories about the time she was living with Mark and Edith and that she had learnt a lot during that period. She definitely seemed very honest and down to earth when she was mentioning all these experiences as someone that simply recollects facts. She was talking with the honesty and gratitude that everyone has in this thread and not like a brainwashed cult-member as she claims to have been back then.
She was speaking about Edith’s wisdom, care and intuition and about her insights and understanding of the human psychology which had helped Barbara a lot.
She was also speaking about Mark’s sense of humour, care and wisdom but she would also mention how ill he was. Pity that in her accusations she was saying the opposite; that Mark was just being lazy and taking advantage of her ex-husband.
No one deserves to be treated with such maliciousness.
Especially when they have done so much for humanity.
I met Mark and Edith 3 years ago. I have never been so grateful to anybody for anything. They are amazing teachers who lead by example. They encouraged me to gain my own experiences. Like a good mentor, they challenged me to change and grow… And actually to transform myself, while offering the tools to do so, free of charge. One thing noteworthy about Mark, is that every time, I listen to him speak, especially in person but also on recordings, I always feel that walking the spiritual path is possible. I always walk away with a sense of hope even though I know that the road ahead will be difficult. Unlike any other person I have learned from, Mark always answers my deepest secret concerns and I’ve never heard any fluff in his talks. Edith, well she is so much more than a teacher to me. I have been fortunate enough to have had quite a bit if contact with her over the last 3 years. Edith is my example of how to live. She seems to have a telepathic way of knowing exactly what I need to hear to move forward. She is able to adapt her guidance to fit each situation, sometimes offering “tough love” and other times offering gentle advice.
I appreciate your testimony and I agree wholeheartedly with the statements you have made.
To Jordan, thanks for sharing Barbara’s comment.
Michelle, I’ve felt the same thing too, that Mark’s talks and guidance offer not just insight, but an innate wisdom and simplicity of talking about the path from someone who has a huge breadth of experience to speak from. Because of this, whenever he does explain what is needed it comes across so simply, in a very clear direct manner, and it’s given me a lot of hope as well.
Edith is also very inspiring, like you said. She does provide an excellent example of how to cleanly live the teachings, and any time I’ve gotten advice from her, if I implemented it successfully, it has made a huge impact on my work.
So I couldn’t agree with your comments more.
“Edith is also very inspiring, like you said. She does provide an excellent example of how to cleanly live the teachings, and any time I’ve gotten advice from her, if I implemented it successfully, it has made a huge impact on my work.”
Well said Dara. It’s funny how just a few things she said to me a couple of years ago when I had the chance to meet her still have an impact on me today and continue to help me along whenever I reflect on them.
It was pretty difficult to read the other Witness testimony about the kinds of accusations and treatment that has gone on towards them due to this smear campaign:
http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/witness-accounts/on-the-character-and-living-conditions-of-mark-and-edith-volunteering-absolute-publishing-press-and-relationships/
Wishing strength to Edith and Belsebuub and everyone trying to keep his teachings alive.
What a beautiful and accurate description of both Mark and Edith.
On the few occasions that I was able to share with them I also noticed the same traits, especially the way in which you can truly ‘feel’ the love and care that they have for you and humanity as a whole. There is an undeniable humility that is clean and refreshing, unlike I have ever witnessed, perhaps only that of a small child.
I recall on a few occasions a feeling that is indescribable when I heard some of Belsebuub’s teachings – there was a sense of profound wisdom and knowing, humility and a love that just emanates freely.
Even though I never lived with them I had sufficient personal dealings with them to totally concur with your account and description of them.
Thank you for making this public for all to see. They are both truly admirable in the manner in which they have continued to work tirelessly for humanity so these teachings can reach all those searching and beyond. I feel pretty privileged to be part of this community
Jordan, thank you for sharing this – most telling!
Thank you for sharing your wonderful remarks and testimonies about the characters of Mark Pritchard/Belsebuub and Edith. I am eternally grateful for all their wisdom, generosity and their incessant efforts in offering and spreading these teachings to everyone who is interested in knowing about them. The fact that they have dedicated their entire lives in doing this work for the benefit of helping and reaching out to humanity is truly remarkable and inspirational. Although I only had the chance to meet and talk to them in person for a short time during a past retreat in Canada, I was left with a lasting impression of their dedication and sincerity towards teaching others on how to connect with the spiritual.
I have nothing to offer but my greatest respect and appreciation for them.
Thank you for sharing your experience of knowing Mark and Edith. You actually did an awesome job at describing them, because that is also exactly how I would pretty much describe them too.
The gentleness yet strength emanating from them is really noticeable.
Reading all the comments from so many people above all saying they had the same experience to me validates their character. Plus I know from my own personal experience how untrue the accusations presented by Barbara have been, and her husband Vernon.
Again, I’ll ask and beg, Barbara, please end this smear campaign, take down your hate site, remove all your posts and videos on other sites as well.. Let us practice the spirituality of our choice in peace, let us live spiritually. It may not be your choice, but that is not a reason for you to try to stop and oppose our rights. So again, I am personally asking you to stop your hate.
Your campaign is becoming more and more dangerous, with people coming onto your site and talking about making people disappear.. You know you’ve incited hatred before, with acts of vandalism directly linked to your hate site, and now death threats have been made (once more) because of your hate campaign.
You know that it is going too far.. Please stop before it causes people to get physically hurt… or worse..
It is your responsibility, not anyone’s else.. The ball is in your camp. I wish that you pick it up instead of screaming at it and screeching at it, as that is useless. The ball is your camp. You have a chance to offer it back peacefully and resolve this matter by letting all go. Please let go..
Let our community live in peace..
You should be aware that there was never a question of the MoG site coming down. I clearly stated that I might remove my own articles if I were able to resolve the conflict with Mark, and that offer still stands. However, I do not own or run the MoG site, nor have I posted any videos so I am afraid that is beyond my control. The MoG site is run by a group of people; there are more than 20 who posted their experiences about your group and many more that commented and they have no desire to remove them. Even if the MoG site came down, they would re-post their experiences elsewhere. That is their choice and nothing to do with me.
I don’t buy it Barbara. It is possible you may not personally own the MovementsofGnostic pyramid scheme linked hate site, but you cannot pretend you are not behind it, or that it is “beyond your control”. Your husband’s company ChannelDoubler is the vehicle being used to prop it up, providing a platform others can use to attack with. You can’t pretend you have no links to ChannelDoubler. You are married to the Head of IT at Channeldoubler, and have been in the same MLM/pyramid scheme together.
I have already written about the MovementsofGnostics & ChannelDoubler MLM/Pyramid Scheme Connection in a comment on another page.
It is clearly you, Vernon and his associate Jake who are behind the site, the rest are just contributors, who you three basically “collected” along the way and rallied into the well-planned search engine optimized hate campaign you started. They had never done anything like this until you drew them into your campaign, and now you use them as a shield to hide behind, which was the whole purpose of their involvement.
Your comment reads a bit like a disclaimer you have posted, very late in the game, to protect and distance yourself so you cannot be held liable for any eventualities of the hatred incited by that site, which has already provoked vandalism and a death threat. It is too late to try and pull that one Barbara. Your efforts to play down your level of influence, involvement and responsibility are not convincing.
I, like others here, would like to see this hate site which is recklessly inciting hatred to come down. But if you, Vernon and Jake do not want the MOG hate site (plus the other blog in Belsebuub’s name, and MOG associated twitter and YouTube accounts etc) to come down, then I am quite willing to detail how you three are very much behind it and responsible.
Hello Barbara,
I want to say thank you for making the choice to remove some of your articles from the MOG website.
I genuinely hope that you did this because you saw that they didn’t benefit anyone, not yourself, nor anyone else.
I do not hope you did this because you want to try to make it seem that you are now no longer involved or not accountable in any way. Because that is simply not the case as your involvement goes much further than articles as has been pointed out here, shown in many testimonials and is again summarised and clearly outlined in the replies to your comment here.
You and your husband are responsible for starting the campaign and the website. As instigators, and owners of the website you are responsible for it. Please do not hide behind the excuse that other people have also written articles on the website. Since you were the ones that actively looked those people up, lead them to write things to suit your agenda, created the place for it and maintain it to this day. In all frankness, I think those people have already gone and it’s mainly you. Furthermore the owner of the website is always accountable for the content of their website, regardless of who wrote it. So just as you have removed your articles, so too you can remove other content and the whole website.
I do not hope that you think that by ‘hiding’ your involvement you are actually not liable for your actions. It just doesn’t work like that.
I also want to emphasize the great courtesy held up by everyone in this community in not mentioning your real names. As that would link the truth shown on this website to you and your atrocious actions and lies, visible to anyone you have had/will have contact with in your personal life.
Regardless of what you wanted to gain when starting this campaign, the situation has changed and what are you gaining from it right now? With the truth exposed on this website, is the MoG website not like a ball and chain that you’re better without? Is it not better for your company ChannelDoubler to not be linked to the MoG hate website? Would it not be better for your own professional life if the site was gone?
Are you not better off without the website? Instead of leaving it up and trying to hide links to yourself, isn’t it better to actually really stop it?
Be sure that if the website (and other harmful content on the internet) would go, no one here would be doing a victory dance or anything like it, instead people would just move on. Relieved that they can practice what they like in safety. And in time I imagine this defence website would be removed. Doesn’t that look like a better view for your future?
I think this is in your best interest and hope you see this too. I would be very happy for you if this was the start of ending this truly sad affair…..
Hello Barbara,
As others have noted, this explanation is simply not credible.
- You were the first person to launch this smear campaign with your unsolicited mass email
- You were one of the original and most significant contributors to the MOG site
- Your husband’s company, ChannelDoubler, is being used to support/host the site
- The site was originally registered in the name of The Gnostic Movement of Greece, a company your husband founded and at that time controlled
- There are numerous reports of you and your husband contacting, soliciting, and essentially recruiting people to come air their grievances over on the MOG site. There is little doubt they never would have done so without your encouragement and support, and it seems highly unlikely for the most part that they would post again without this venue being provided.
Reading your comment, I really feel as though you are trying to conceal your culpability for this website and smear campaign and their ramifications, which have included vandalism and death threats.
Whatever technicalities you use to shield yourself from responsibility, I believe you know within yourself as well as we do that you are ethically and causally responsible for the MOG site existing and have the ability to make it disappear if you choose.
Why not step up and take responsibility for once?
Barbara, what “conflict with Mark” is there, apart from what’s coming from you? The ball is entirely in your court. The smear campaign you started has been refuted here on Gnostic Freedom (and continues to be unanswered). There is no logical reason to continue.
And I seriously doubt anyone you have recruited for your campaign would “re-post their experiences elsewhere”. The only reason they posted in the first place was because you rallied them to your false cause. But even if they did re-post why would it matter to you? Let your site come down (yes – it is your site – no denying you make the majority of posts and ChannelDoubler is the host) and be free yourself.
Dear Barbara,
You may want to make it seem like there is a ‘conflict’ with Mark. But really it has been an attack by you and your little group all along, this is abundantly clear even till this moment when looking at your nasty website. I don’t see how you want to ‘resolve’ anything through your contact with him. Do you want to make him admit in some way that there is any truth to your lies? and thereby try to further stain his name and clear your own? Do you seriously expect any “offer” to be taken up when it is unfair to the situation?
Your actions (in this whole campaign and on your website) are known and go beyond your articles. They have been clearly outlined by firsthand witness accounts on this site, it’s therefore impossible for you to convincingly downplay your involvement and accountability.
Whether or not your ‘contributors’ have no desire to remove their comments is not an excuse that you and the “official” owners can use to keep the site up. Even if other people wrote some articles or comments, the owner of the site IS ultimately responsible for the content on their own website.
‘Even if the MoG site came down, they would re-post their experiences elsewhere. That is their choice and nothing to do with me.”
IF they decide to do that it is indeed their own choice. But whether or not they would post something in the future does not take away of that which IS up right now, on your website.
Beside you trying to shift your guilt and involvement in this whole post, I hope there’s also a slight whiff of you seeing some sense in removing your articles. I would be sincerely happy for you if you saw that what you are doing to yourself is not beneficial for you, at all. Taking the articles off from the website would seriously be a great start.
I don’t buy it either. To be clear, a few of your arguments are that:
1) You have nothing to do with all of the people that you mass emailed with defamatory information, encouraging them to come join your ‘side’ and post antagonistic testimonies about Mark Pritchard/Belsebuub and The Gnostic Movement on MOG.
2) Once some of those people joined you in posting on your smear site, you no longer had any control over the situation, nor any responsibility for the religious hatred incited, families torn apart, and death threats/ defamatory information uploaded.
3) You have no influence on the MOG smear site staying up or coming down, even though your husband’s company provides hosting for that very same site and could easily take it down if needed.
These are just a few of the points that are incredibly contradictory and indicate to me that you’re simply washing your hands of this situation, when in reality there is a lot you can do, and have done.
Barbara, your role in MOG is clear. It is clear to everyone that you, Vernon, and Jake initiated and maintain MOG and other outlets that incite hatred towards this community and the spiritual teacher Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub).
Your husband’s company, ChannelDoubler actually owns the website. You, Vernon, and Jake contacted most of the people here directly when you started the campaign in an effort to recruit people.
Barbara, your role is written in your posts and in your tone, for example when you say things like, “I will repeat what I said, that if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me.”
or…
“But I’ll repeat again, that Mark is free to contact me by email to discuss these matters and talk through this conflict. It’s up to him if he wants a resolution or not.”
Come on…You cannot neglect responsibility for what you have created and continue to maintain. There is no possibility of a hasty cover-up.
You may have been able to recruit those individuals to tell their stories, but that does not change your role in MOG.
If you are willing to maintain that website, you have to be willing to take accountability for what it is doing, the unintended outcomes, and how it is impacting people’s lives.
Well said Gabrielle, good points!
“Barbara, your role is written in your posts and in your tone, for example when you say things like, “I will repeat what I said, that if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me.”
or…
“But I’ll repeat again, that Mark is free to contact me by email to discuss these matters and talk through this conflict. It’s up to him if he wants a resolution or not.”
Come on…You cannot neglect responsibility for what you have created and continue to maintain. There is no possibility of a hasty cover-up.”
Barbara likes to hide herself behind her finger. It’s a ridiculous case!
No one here is stupid enough to believe you, Barbara.
The fact that your husband, “Vernon,” the owner of ChannelDoubler hosts the MovementsofGnostics hate site and that you are one of the primary reasons for its existence shows you have a lot more power over the MOG site than you let on.
I don’t think this point can be emphasized enough: ChannelDoubler is hosting a hate site. The hate site is full of libelous content, and attracts mentally unbalanced people. The hate site has caused immense harm to a spiritual organization and individuals within it have had their lives threatened as a result.
We have asked repeatedly for the site and the attacks to come to an end, but the site is still there. ChannelDoulber continues to incite attacks against innocent people, and for empowering such hatred, ChannelDoubler and its owners are accountable for all the troubles that have come up and continue to come up.
I think too much kindness and time to cease has been granted to the attackers. If they continue to attack us with their online slander and lies, we need to think BIG about how we can expose the immoral individuals involved to the online community as a whole… I think we need to raise the stakes in our defense.
Anonymous, I completely agree with you here:
“I don’t think this point can be emphasized enough: ChannelDoubler is hosting a hate site. The hate site is full of libelous content, and attracts mentally unbalanced people. The hate site has caused immense harm to a spiritual organization and individuals within it have had their lives threatened as a result.”
The act of hosting the hate site is a huge deal because:
-To host it means you support spreading hatred, and are an active and willing participant in spreading negativity to the world
-To host it means you continuously put out malicious material, not just every day but every time a new person loads one of the webpages
- To host it means you encourage other people to stay stuck on fabricated non-issues, and these people waste their time and energy getting further worked up about twisted lies that have no basis in reality
These things just can’t be overlooked or shrugged off as someone else’s problem.
Anonymous and Dara, I really agree.
Online resources are delivered from a web server every time someone loads a web page, not just the day they are first published.
This hateful material is served every time someone accesses the MOG site, and it appears ChannelDoubler and its directors are directly responsible for it.
It’s absurd to think Barbara is some passive bystander when it’s her own husband’s company responsible for the site.
Indeed… Justin, indeed….
“It’s absurd to think Barbara is some passive bystander when it’s her own husband’s company responsible for the site.”
“We have asked repeatedly for the site and the attacks to come to an end, but the site is still there. ChannelDoulber continues to incite attacks against innocent people, and for empowering such hatred, ChannelDoubler and its owners are accountable for all the troubles that have come up and continue to come up.”
People behind ChannelDoubler are the same people behind the MOG hate site and behind the pyramid scheme that deceives people to give a lot of money. It has been apparent all along and they cannot hide it.
Barbara’s cowardice is shameful. She never speaks with her true name and now the cherry on the top: she says that she is not behind the MOG website. This shows so much of her real character.
Nothing good should be expected by a person that acts in this manner.
And I also find it very strange the way she is obsessed with Mark. I feel that there is something very alarming behind these dishonest postings.
What is the reason for this disclaimer Barbara? What are you preparing?
Reveal yourself and your intentions if you believe you are right. Be true to yourself and to others for a change. Stop before it is too late.
Barbara, this just sounds like another way you’re trying to wash your hands of what you’ve done by contributing to the MoG website without taking responsibility at all. If the site is registered under your husbands company you are indirectly linked to it. Which means you could potentially aid in its closure.
I still don’t really understand your strange obsession with wanting to connect with Mark. I also don’t understand what you mean by “conflict” ? What conflict? The way I see it Mark (Belsebuub) wants to continue to spread his teachings, (which everyone here welcomes with gratitude) and you’ve accused him of a bunch of nonsense which has been refuted again and again. The only conflict that I can see is that you won’t move on and leave Mark (and us) in peace.
“I still don’t really understand your strange obsession with wanting to connect with Mark. I also don’t understand what you mean by “conflict” ? What conflict? The way I see it Mark (Belsebuub) wants to continue to spread his teachings, (which everyone here welcomes with gratitude) and you’ve accused him of a bunch of nonsense which has been refuted again and again. The only conflict that I can see is that you won’t move on and leave Mark (and us) in peace.”
That’s very true, Vida. Funny how she keeps on trying to create this impression like there’s a conflict – as though both parties have something to negotiate, and as though Mark is in the wrong somehow. In reality Barbara continues to fabricate stories to cover up her hurt pride and “the stain” she’s left with for being asked to leave The Gnostic Movement.
@Barbara – I completely understand why Mark would want nothing to do with you after the way you have treated him. Nor do I see what the resolution you seek is. Seems from your past attempts that you want him to apologize when he has done nothing wrong – there’s no negotiating with the truth though, and no amount of blackmailing through public humiliation and persecution would shake the truth or change past events.
Cmon Barbara, you can’t be serious can you?
You and your husband created the platform for all this to take place. You incited so much hatred, fear , and negativity in people by creating the platform of MOG. You then went on a sweep to try and find each and every person that may have some small amount of negativity from their experience with the Movement etc.
You then fed on that fear, you fuelled it to get what you wanted. You tracked down Angela’s mother, and fed into her fears and worries, and fuelled her negativity. She has now become so warped because of what you have done (whether it was you directly, or your husband it makes no difference) she appears to be completely unstable and her life must be horrible to be living in that state.
You and your husband built up a rally of poor guided people and gave them a reason to feed their lower states, and now, they are no longer around, because they have seen, and felt, that there is no point to it. There is no reality to it. The truth is quite the opposite.
You and your husband have responsibility for all of what has happened. Take a step back for a moment. Imagine that you and your husband had never sent the original emails where you spammed everyone. Imagine you didn’t go harassing family members of the TGM, and travelling the world trying to rally them together. Imagine that you didnt jump on many of the other web sites, and post comments trying to fuel your agenda.
Imagine that when you were asked to leave the movement, you just did that with respect, and peace, the way that your history in the movement, would have shown you was the right way to act, and be.
Do you think the MOG site would exist? Would Gnostic Freedom exist? Of course not. Would you have wasted 2 years of your life for nothing? No… you would have been able to move on, and maybe things could have been completely different.
Yes you have hidden behind other hosts, but ultimately, you and your husband are responsible. The MOG site is now hosted by ChannelDoubler, which your husband runs with Jake. IF all three of you did not create MOG in the first place, then none of this would have happened. Don’t kid yourself. Thats the way it is.
Well said!
“Take a step back for a moment. Imagine that you and your husband had never sent the original emails where you spammed everyone. Imagine you didn’t go harassing family members of the TGM, and travelling the world trying to rally them together. Imagine that you didnt jump on many of the other web sites, and post comments trying to fuel your agenda.
Imagine that when you were asked to leave the movement, you just did that with respect, and peace, the way that your history in the movement, would have shown you was the right way to act, and be.”
- That definitely brings it into perspective, Cameron. Thanks for putting it in those terms.
Indeed Gabrielle, these points resonated very strongly in me as well..
“Imagine that when you were asked to leave the movement, you just did that with respect, and peace, the way that your history in the movement, would have shown you was the right way to act, and be.
Do you think the MOG site would exist? Would Gnostic Freedom exist? Of course not. Would you have wasted 2 years of your life for nothing? No… you would have been able to move on, and maybe things could have been completely different.”
The consequences of Barbara’s actions have impacted so many lives and the spiritual freedom of so many people, it’s actually hard to imagine what things would have been like if she hadn’t initiated this hate campaign – things are that drastic!
That’s a great point though Cameron – life could have been very different for everyone, for all of us who have to waste time revealing the gaps in the stories Barbara churns out, and for Barbara who seems to be spending her life away on finding a new way to twist things to attack this community and Mark.
“That’s a great point though Cameron – life could have been very different for everyone, for all of us who have to waste time revealing the gaps in the stories Barbara churns out, and for Barbara who seems to be spending her life away on finding a new way to twist things to attack this community and Mark.”
You know, I never looked at it from this angle. I have imagined what it would be like if she stopped everything right now, but looking back at all that has transpired, it really would be a different reality if Barbara and Vernon had acted differently, instead of creating this false campaign. How much loss and damages could have been prevented.
Well, unfortunately this is the road she chose. Thankfully, she has the choice to end all of this strife, not only for us, but for herself. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have this kind of obsession with an organization, to still be trying to harm it on a daily basis, so many years later. There really are many other things to do with ones life.
It’s interesting because sometimes people need closure on things. If that is the case for Barbara, the best kind of closure I can think of is a call for peace. Take down the websites and I’m sure the gnostic freedom defense page would go too. We could all move on. Now that is something I can imagine!
Barbara, hopefully you can see the sense in that and end this.
Well said Cameron, powerful truth which cannot be denied!
Thanks Cameron
That is the kind of clarity which is sadly missing in this whole sorry saga.
Barbara – if you were to reflect on Cameron comments, then the conclusions would be obvious. There really is no need to continue with this campaign. Nobody here wishes you ill will, on the contrary there is a sincere desire for you to find peace in your life. That peace can be achieved right now, this can all be over in a moment and be like a bad dream. There is no need to respond to me or anyone else, simply remove the MOG website and other posts and go forward in your life. That’s all that’s required. You know the truth in what I say. .
Cliff
Barbara, we are not fools. It’s very clear that it is you who staged these attacks against us from the very beginning, and that it is you who is in full control of the hate campaign website.
This is not normal behaviour, and you should stop now.
As I’ve pleaded with you many times, you need to stop before an innocent person is seriously harmed by some unbalanced individual.
Barbara, as others have said, you are not fooling anyone. MOG is your brainchild. This is your smear campaign. It always has been. You have dragged a few other people into it along the way and used others to hide behind, but where are all those people now? It is just you, talking to yourself under different usernames on the hate site now, including with the username “movementsofgnostics”.
You are just using Vernon and his company to host the site, just as you used the Greek Gnostic Movement to host it beforehand and have used others along the way, but you have always been the mastermind. This is clearly your fight. Vernon is obviously not involved in this now, unlike you. I think we can leave Vernon out of this now and leave him alone. It is just you left now, talking to yourself, carrying on with the same nonsense some 3+ years after you were asked to leave by fellow members.
This has always has been all about you. I remember very clearly receiving your unsolicited hate spam email that set this whole thing in motion, publicising your private life like a tabloid tale, with your ludicrous claims blaming Mark for your marriage breakup. You still carry on with the same ridiculous story, despite all the evidence and witness accounts clearly revealing the holes in your story, a story which is obviously very far from the truth.
What is really strange to me Barbara is how desperately you seem to want to speak to Mark. You keep bringing this up again and again. I think your abnormal and disturbing fixation upon this man’s life is very weird and unhealthy.
In a strange, distorted kind of way, I think you have never gotten over being asked to leave, and you are simply unable to let go and move on from this spiritual scene, and attacking Mark is now the only way you can still be part of things. That’s why you keep saying you will “move on” but never do, and when others “move on” you don’t. You just cannot seem to be able to live without us. It’s really sad.
In the Gnostic Movement you used to bombard Mark with emails about your personal life, and you were apparently the only member doing it to that repetitive extent. From what I saw, you also acted as if with your responsibilities you were somehow “special”, and you acted as if you were better than everyone else, and spoke down to other members. You also spoke as if you spoke for Mark, and when you tried to assert yourself and take control of the Gnostic Movement, you carried on as if what you wanted was what Mark really wanted, but that clearly was just an illusion you had brought on by pride.
How shocking it must have been for you to be asked to leave by the people you bullied and treated so condescendingly, after you tried to assert yourself as top dog and basically take over the organisation, acting all the while as if you were special. That was all an illusion Barbara. But that illusion must have given you a strange sense of purpose. It must have been hard when it all came crashing down.
After you were asked to leave you said you felt you were leaving with a stain on your name. To me it seems your smear campaign was not only a desperate attempt at payback to remove that stain, but it has also served as a way to put yourself at the centre of the world which you tried so hard to control, but which rejected you, but which you still cannot seem to live without. You unsuccessfully tried to control us when you were part of the organisation, now you still to try to control us with your smear campaign. You just can’t let go. I think it’s time to break free of your disturbing, unhealthy, abnormal and habitual fixation upon Mark, and learn to live without compulsively imposing yourself on him and this community. It’s time to learn to live without us, and to stop trying to make yourself the CENTRE OF ATTENTION in our community. We have moved on, but you obviously still haven’t let go of us as your ongoing smear campaign shows.
Your desperate attempts to impose yourself upon our community and find a way to speak to Mark are very sad. I hope you can learn to let go, and leave behind this unhealthy fixation, and move on with your life once and for all.
You make an interesting point Matthew.
I have wondered; Why does she continue? Her initial reasons for starting this campaign have become clear. But the situation has changed. The truth has been put out there and her house of lies has crumbled. Anything she does now is only doing more harm to herself. Clearly it is more sensible to stop and move on. And yet she continues, why? what is driving her?
In a strange, distorted kind of way, I think you have never gotten over being asked to leave, and you are simply unable to let go and move on from this spiritual scene, and attacking Mark is now the only way you can still be part of things. That’s why you keep saying you will “move on” but never do, and when others “move on” you don’t. You just cannot seem to be able to live without us. It’s really sad.
This kind of reminds of a kindergarten scene…… but like wise mothers say: ‘you can’t force anyone to be your friend.’ Such actions won’t bring any happiness, only loneliness. I hope you see that continuing in this way will not lead you to any kind of happiness.
Instead of trying to force Mark to talk to you while your hate inciting website that’s threatening him is still up, I think you would have a better chance if you first take down all of it.
You are so right Matthew, I think B does show a very abnormal fixation on this community and Mark and does like to be centre of attention…still.
very sad.
Yes, there’s really no one left over there other than Barbara. Apart from a few unfortunately seemingly unbalanced cheerleaders as someone else pointed out the other day, all the others have made some posts and comments in the past, but have long since moved on. It’s painfully obvious what’s going on, and I think you highlighted it all well Matthew.
Barbara, we’re calling on you to take it down, since we know you can. The reality is that it’s really up to you. If you are not happy with the truth as has been pointed out on this site, then remove your site and there’d be no need for these witness accounts, since there would be nothing in the public to give witness to. If you took down your site and ended your campaign, you could focus on promoting your new interests and pursuits without at the same time attacking your old ones in such a hypocritical manner, as has been pointed out repeatedly here. You brought these events and circumstances to the public, and we have responded to them in kind. Take them away, and it all ends.
Thanks so much for posting this, Matthew.
Your description of Barbara’s unhealthy fixation on Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) and this community, as well as the pattern of behavior she displayed prior to leaving is very telling and insightful. It helps to put things into perspective.
What you mentioned about her using this campaign as a way to assert authority and take control over this community makes a lot of sense, as well. Like a child who acts out to get attention, she behaved in a way that could not be ignored. She wanted to take control over The Gnostic Movement and Belsebuub one way or the other.
She must not have anticipated that we would stand our ground.
I have been getting the same impression about her using the people around her to initiate and maintain that campaign. It is great that Vernon and others have moved on. I agree that we should leave him and the others out of this, considering they have moved on.
I hope that this information and the way you put it so clearly will reach her at the core, and that it will help her to see things from another perspective and to move on.
Well said, Matthew. It’s clear Barbara has a fixation with this community and Mark. And look at all the problems that have come of it.
Unfortunately, while it seems Vernon has stopped much of his activity, ChannelDoubler is still being used to host the hate site.
Few of those initially involved in the attacks, if any, even care about what is there any more. We can see this by a lack of comments/support on her blogs: no one cares to support Barbara’s twisted lies any more.
I think all Barbara has to do to take the first big step towards *peace* and *moving on* is to take down the site.
“I think it’s time to break free of your disturbing, unhealthy, abnormal and habitual fixation upon Mark, and learn to live without compulsively imposing yourself on him and this community. It’s time to learn to live without us, and to stop trying to make yourself the CENTRE OF ATTENTION in our community.”
That’s a fitting way to describe it, Matthew. Clearly, ever since Barbara was asked to leave TGM she has been using everything and anything at her disposal to try to clear her name – including her new husband, his IT skills, and his company to hide behind, his friendship with the TV host Elita, family discords in other families (like the example of Angela’s mom), people seeing therapists and working their way through psychological issues, people with a chip on their shoulder, etc. In short using anything to maintain her centerpiece position of a “victim”, regardless of the cost for those involved, while in reality she is the mastermind behind an entire smear campaign to ruin the reputation of Mark and of this community all to cover up her shame for being asked to leave TGM just when she thought she was the kingpin.
“Clearly, ever since Barbara was asked to leave TGM she has been using everything and anything at her disposal to try to clear her name – including her new husband, his IT skills, and his company to hide behind, his friendship with the TV host Elita, family discords in other families (like the example of Angela’s mom), people seeing therapists and working their way through psychological issues, people with a chip on their shoulder, etc. “
Kind of sickening in a way, that these people and resources have been mislead into fighting on behalf of Barbara’s “cause” which is based on lies and what seems like hurt pride. If you go around orchestrating a campaign for those reasons instead of truth, then you are definitely not a victim but a perpetrator.
“You are just using Vernon and his company to host the site, just as you used the Greek Gnostic Movement to host it beforehand and have used others along the way, but you have always been the mastermind.”
Definitely agree with this one, Matthew. The tendency to use people and events to boost yourself up, or to further your own agenda, is one of those personal qualities that tends to repeat itself in some people–in other words, if you find someone doing this in one place in their life, you can bet there’s a long list of people elsewhere they have used before, even if they were playing ‘victim’ the whole time they did it.
Spot on Matt. Quotes:
” What is really strange to me Barbara is how desperately you seem to want to speak to Mark. You keep bringing this up again and again. I think your abnormal and disturbing fixation upon this man’s life is very weird and unhealthy. ”
” In the Gnostic Movement you used to bombard Mark with emails about your personal life … ”
Considering how Barb’s hate site now describes the man, it is indeed a very strange obsession Barb still has.
As Matt stated:
“ It’s time to learn to live without us, and to stop trying to make yourself the CENTRE OF ATTENTION in our community. We have moved on, but you obviously still haven’t let go of us as your ongoing smear campaign shows. ”
” You unsuccessfully tried to control us when you were part of the organisation, now you still to try to control us with your smear campaign.”
Well said Matthew.
Barbara so long as you treat us, any readers of your website and any others that have followed you in your campaign as inferior beings there is no chance that you will ever going to be able to contribute into resolving this. Your attitude is unacceptable.
The strongest point and the one where the whole campaign was based was mainly your lies about Mark interfering in your relationship. Everything else was just adding up to that. This has been proven false though times again, apparently hurting your pride severely.
Now you want to speak to Mark in order to manipulate and use any such communication so that you bring this point back in case your revengeful campaign might again gain strength. It seems that it has worked in the past so why not now? Through that lie you managed to victimise yourself and attract attention and support.
This is not going to repeat though because no one really believes you now.
Proof is here for all to see and your campaign is weaker than ever.
Give up and leave us in peace.
Your attempts to weaken us only make us stronger.
“The strongest point and the one where the whole campaign was based was mainly your lies about Mark interfering in your relationship. Everything else was just adding up to that. This has been proven false though times again, apparently hurting your pride severely.”
I agree with you here, Christos. Once Barbara’s main arguments about Mark interfering with her marriage were proven false, the whole thrust of the smear campaign became very, very weak.
This main argument was the most calculated and ‘scandalous’, and therefore Barbara has relied on it heavily to influence others.
Now that we have all the witness accounts which reveal that this accusation is false, we also know that we can’t trust anything posted on MOG or coming from Barbara, as they are unreliable sources.
Really well laid out Matthew. You have truly rolled out the essence of the problem with Barbara.
I agree, it is not about Vernon or anyone else. It is about a sad girl craving for attention. It is great news that others have resolved to get back to a normal life, to move on with their families, friends and careers. To allow the past to be the past, and to meet their lives with a new future for the benefit of their own happiness.
Claiming that she is speaking out to ‘’inform people of her unpleasant experience’’ or that she has the right to speak ‘’freely what is on her mind’’ is a far cry from truth. When in reality, what Barbara has coerced since the very beginning is a fuelled rage where an adult woman is driven daily to compulsively feed an obsession to attack a spiritual community that rejected her. Her so-called ‘’free speech’’ was in my opinion, always used as a cover-up for her pre-calculated full-force attempt at a coup d’état over Belsebuub and his community, to only replace the deep-holed-stain of the hurt pride she was left with when asked to leave.
On the other hand it is apparent that we have all moved on with our lives but are constantly brought back here to defend ourselves when she comes to slander us again and again. All over the world, groups and individuals keep developing, growing and nurturing their lives. I haven’t seen anyone so stuck in the past as Barbara has been. I see people with new perspectives, new meaning and beginnings in their lives, new inspirations, marriages, births, opportunities, countries etc… Courses, groups and retreats flourishing everywhere. Our community here has borne through all the poisoned soil Barbara has planted around us, and frankly it has only made us stronger.
”What is really strange to me Barbara is how desperately you seem to want to speak to Mark. You keep bringing this up again and again. I think your abnormal and disturbing fixation upon this man’s life is very weird and unhealthy. ”
I agree. How very strange and disturbing it is to witness so much fascination and reference Barbara has made, especially recently, to talk to Mark, as though she still maintains all the high illusions of herself and her fixation on him. This I don’t believe she can conceal at all. In my opinion, and what I had considered for some time, was that this twisted fixation, which developed over the years, with her multiple personal emails to Mark, repeatedly imposing her personal life problems in open dialogues to him, constant meeting requests, talking as though she was speaking on behalf of him, was what probably fabricated and subsequently set off the whole cataclysmic and devotional reaction Barbara had. How tragic can the imagination be and its grip on reality that someone can be so compelled towards destruction. And by this I don’t just mean attempts at destroying our community or Mark, but clearly this is something severely destroying Barbara’s own wellbeing.
Matthew you’ve made some very good points regarding Barbara/Nallig, and well done for highlighting information which has been necessary to bring forward.
Your conclusion below is exactly the way I see it.
“After you were asked to leave you said you felt you were leaving with a stain on your name. To me it seems your smear campaign was not only a desperate attempt at payback to remove that stain, but it has also served as a way to put yourself at the centre of the world which you tried so hard to control, but which rejected you, but which you still cannot seem to live without. You unsuccessfully tried to control us when you were part of the organisation, now you still to try to control us with your smear campaign. You just can’t let go. I think it’s time to break free of your disturbing, unhealthy, abnormal and habitual fixation upon Mark, and learn to live without compulsively imposing yourself on him and this community. It’s time to learn to live without us, and to stop trying to make yourself the CENTRE OF ATTENTION in our community. We have moved on, but you obviously still haven’t let go of us as your ongoing smear campaign shows.
Your desperate attempts to impose yourself upon our community and find a way to speak to Mark are very sad. I hope you can learn to let go, and leave behind this unhealthy fixation, and move on with your life once and for all.”
I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone for defending these precious teachings and I hope that we can continue to work together in a peaceful manner to expose what I feel to be vicious activity.
I strongly believe that during these difficult times defense is the most important work required to help humanity. We must defend to preserve these ancient teachings, which is an esoteric message found throughout the ages.
“I strongly believe that during these difficult times defense is the most important work required to help humanity. We must defend to preserve these ancient teachings, which is an esoteric message found throughout the ages.”
Beautifully put, John! Until these attacks come to an end, it is our duty to defend the teachings and expose the lies of the attackers.
indeed Mike, indeed!
I put also my hand on this, John.
“I strongly believe that during these difficult times defense is the most important work required to help humanity. We must defend to preserve these ancient teachings, which is an esoteric message found throughout the ages.”
It’s our duty on humanity.
These were all really good points you made Matthew which I think sheds a clear light on this whole situation with Barbara’s behaviour within The Gnostic Movement and being asked to leave it through to her masterminding the smear campaign (although she tries to wash her hands of responsibility for it in her above post) against it and Mark Pritchard/Belsebuub and her ongoing overall obsession with control and being in a position of power over us.
I was one of the ones she wanted to control and influence and I was also one of the ones who asked her to leave. I guess that would have been upsetting to Barbara to have one of her former trainee students ask her to leave the organisation. Now she probably feels she is back in a position of power again over me and all else who wish to practice these teachings. Still, it all comes back to this obsession with Mark doesn’t it. That’s the main thing behind all this it would seem. An unhealthy obsession as has been said already and the centre of her main false allegation. I hope she can let it go and be truly free.
She recently has talked on this site about not “wasting time on this rot” etc etc and yet how much time has she spent on this whole smear campaign over the last 2 years?
In a post she made last September on another website in a forum thread which was attacking Belzebuub and TGM she made a post using her real first name and directly declared her real first name and the real first name of Vernon and in that post she said :
“We are now in the process of recording and gathering all records of harassment and have ceased all engagement with them. They will most likely reply to this with more slander and lies, however, we have been advised not to respond.”
– she tries to pass off anything that is said to defend against her publicly initated slanderous attacks as being slander, lies and harrassment. I seriously doubt anyone of us has sent them unsolicitored spam emails or tried to control their Facebook pages or initated and maintained a hatesite yet she accusses us of harrasment?
Since the testimonials went up on this site about a month ago it seems she has lost all support on her MOG hatesite (yes her site. Of course she has a level of control over it despite what she tries to make you believe as has already been pointed out). It seems she has seen her control and power slipping away because the testimonials here completely blow her story out of the water. In desperation to try to save her sinking ship she has carried out some sorties here by making some posts, trying to throw around some hand grenades but really they have only blown up in her face and her ship continues to sink…but she just cant resist making some sort of response (despite the “advice” not to respond) to try to save face. Still trying to make a grab for power and control. She can’t however adequately address the testimonials with a proper response. She comes here to try and deflect attention onto other points such as the cultic MLM/Pyramid scheme she was involved with (at the same time as accussing us as being a cult!) away from the core issue of her obessession with Mark.
And I also concur emphatically with monsieur John where he says above :
“I strongly believe that during these difficult times defense is the most important work required to help humanity. We must defend to preserve these ancient teachings, which is an esoteric message found throughout the ages.”
Out of my own free will and wish to see these beneficial teachings exist in the world, I will continue to add my voice to the defence for as long as it takes.
“In a post she made last September on another website in a forum thread which was attacking Belzebuub and TGM she made a post using her real first name and directly declared her real first name and the real first name of Vernon and in that post she said :
“We are now in the process of recording and gathering all records of harassment and have ceased all engagement with them. They will most likely reply to this with more slander and lies, however, we have been advised not to respond.””
It’s concerning that she can say stuff like that and then play the game she tries to pass off above, of not being involved, of these *many* seemingly imaginary others, etc…
I have to agree with what you’re saying, David. I definitely understand why those who joined her temporarily in her campaign have been jumping off that sinking ship. Even in cases where people are very upset about something, most people are usually able to let go after venting off their frustrations at something/someone. Seems like for Barbara there is some kind of compulsion that keeps her latched onto being in contact with Belsebuub, perhaps you’re both right and it really is the feeling of some kind of power over others. Based on many accounts here about her conduct in her final time withing TGM before she was asked to leave, this doesn’t seem out of character.
David, what you said here about Barbara is very interesting:
“I was one of the ones she wanted to control and influence and I was also one of the ones who asked her to leave. I guess that would have been upsetting to Barbara to have one of her former trainee students ask her to leave the organisation. Now she probably feels she is back in a position of power again over me and all else who wish to practice these teachings.”
I think that this really cuts to the core of what is motivating Barbara to act the way she does, and has sustained her for so long. The only way a person could go on for over two years with such a tedious, calculated smear campaign is if they were fueled by very strong emotions underneath, probably of wanting to ‘prove’ something to the group she was asked to leave.
I think you’re right, that it must have hurt her deeply, because it appears she had so much invested in her position of authority, in controlling others, and being the center of a lot of attention.
It’s strange that now, years after all this happened, Barbara is still predictably acting in ways to be the center of attention. It’s just that the tactics are blatantly destructive now.
“I was one of the ones she wanted to control and influence and I was also one of the ones who asked her to leave.”
Thanks for your input David. As you know, we were in the same boat. We went through some very difficult times when Barbara and her husband were trying to intimidate and control us, which is described in more detail here: http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/witness-accounts/on-the-character-and-unethical-behavior-of-the-smear-campaigners/#comment-1316
I think it is such a shame that Barbara is still fixated on all this and still attacks us now. I also find it very strange how Barbara has attacked us all along yet she continually tries to present any attempts to rebut her destructive accusations and public attacks as harassment.
As for her MLM or pyramid scheme endeavours, I think she was caught red handed and off guard with that. Her comments to justify her participation while claiming she does not participate anymore, and the subsequent prompt web changes, came across to me like a desperate attempt to save face, because it was obvious her actions were hypocritical and undermined her carefully orchestrated victim act.
Actually, in my opinion, I think it would be fair to say her whole smear campaign comes across like a desperate attempt to save face.
I agree Matthew, Barbara does seem to have an unsettling obsession with Belsebuub. I hope she can let go of it for everyone’s sake, not least of which hers.
“After you were asked to leave you said you felt you were leaving with a stain on your name. To me it seems your smear campaign was not only a desperate attempt at payback to remove that stain, but it has also served as a way to put yourself at the centre of the world which you tried so hard to control, but which rejected you, but which you still cannot seem to live without. You unsuccessfully tried to control us when you were part of the organisation, now you still to try to control us with your smear campaign. You just can’t let go. I think it’s time to break free of your disturbing, unhealthy, abnormal and habitual fixation upon Mark, and learn to live without compulsively imposing yourself on him and this community. It’s time to learn to live without us, and to stop trying to make yourself the CENTRE OF ATTENTION in our community. We have moved on, but you obviously still haven’t let go of us as your ongoing smear campaign shows.
Your desperate attempts to impose yourself upon our community and find a way to speak to Mark are very sad. I hope you can learn to let go, and leave behind this unhealthy fixation, and move on with your life once and for all.”
Matthew, you make so many interesting points in your comment, but this one stood out to me quite strongly and I feel the same, that Barbara just can’t let go of Belsebuub, or of us as a community. It feels that by attacking us, it is her only way to feel connected to what we are and what we do..
It seems really sad indeed that she seems unable to let go of her fascination with Mark, and us..
And it seems all she wants is to continue to have contact with Mark as well – it is strangely disturbing indeed.. and sad..
Matthew, you couldn’t present better the “poor” psychological case of Barbara.
“You just cannot seem to be able to live without us. It’s really sad. ”
“It’s time to learn to live without us, and to stop trying to make yourself the CENTRE OF ATTENTION in our community.”
“Your desperate attempts to impose yourself upon our community and find a way to speak to Mark are very sad. I hope you can learn to let go, and leave behind this unhealthy fixation, and move on with your life once and for all.”
What big illusions she has!
Unfortunately she behaves as a weak girl.
I have no words to express this sad situation!
Barbara, it’s a poor and unhealthy way to live like that.
What you’ve pointed out here Matthew, as well as the input David put below regarding Barbara’s inability to let things go, is really interesting.
“Your desperate attempts to impose yourself upon our community and find a way to speak to Mark are very sad. I hope you can learn to let go, and leave behind this unhealthy fixation, and move on with your life once and for all.”
Well said, Matthew. I hope she can move on as well. Things really don’t have to be this way.
Hi Matthew,
Thank you very much for posting this message, which I think is very insightful and strikes at the heart of the problem.
The whole situation is very tragic in its way, because Barbara is such an intelligent, talented, and extremely capable person. I was always impressed by how dedicated she was to helping others and to doing everything the “right way.”
However, based on these witness accounts and what I’ve seen first hand, I believe Barbara’s talents and sacrifices were ultimately subverted to serve her pride, which is at the heart of this entire situation.
Over the years of working with her as a volunteer, I felt at many times the importance Barbara placed on APPEARING to be correct and proper and responsible. However, as we know, maintaining an appearance of being spiritual isn’t necessarily synonymous with actually having those qualities within.
Reading all these accounts of Barabara’s behaviour and having seen some of it myself, it seems to me that Barbara’s desire to receive praise, to be a role model, to be recognized, etc. ultimately led her to have to a distorted view of her own importance and to the condescending and bullying behaviour Matthew refers to.
And this same inflated sense of her own importance now fuels the hate campaign she has persisted with for so many years.
If I think about a person who spent so much time teaching, working in meetings, trying to do tasks efficiently and successfully, receiving recognition, feeling the respect and adulation of her peers… and then, after all of this, being asked to leave by those same peers…it becomes apparent how difficult a situation this would have been. Being asked to leave would have shattered a carefully wrought self-image and would have been a very difficult blow psychologically, for anyone really.
But while it’s not unusual to feel hurt in a situation like this, I’ve seen many scenarios where people made mistakes, picked themselves up, made changes, and got back on track. In Barbara’s case, this didn’t happen.
Barbara asked repeatedly to be let back in to the The Gnostic Movement and even publically defended it and Mark Pritchard on an anti-cult forum months after she left (http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/contradictions-of-key-accuser-in-the-smear-campaign/).
However, her behaviour did not fundamentally change and this is the key difference.
And when she it became clear that she truly would not be allowed back in to The Gnostic Movement, it is amazing how fully she redirected her energies.
All the ingenuity, drive, creativity, and hard work that characterized her as a volunteer of The Gnostic Movement became directed towards its complete opposite — attacking The Gnostic Movement and Mark Pritchard.
For example, it’s now evident from these accounts that she fabricated a story of sexual scandal out of nothing, clearly playing on the prevalent stereotypes of sexual abuse among “cult leaders.”
In fact, it seems clear from her incoherent and contradictory “defense” of how her relationship with Vernon began that she was really trying to deflect attention from a scenario that she found and still finds personally embarassing.
I personally believe that trying to bring Mark down and humble him in the public arena is her way of compensating for the devasting loss of her personal reputation and image within the organization. This loss came about not — as she claims — through gossip but through her own bad behaviour, for which she has no one but herself to blame.
By staying fixated on Mark and disregarding all of us as “sheep” and “cult followers,” she’s condescendingly trying to undermine the very people who actually asked her to leave when her behaviour became too destructive and intolerable to bear.
She can’t seem to stomach the fact that the people she viewed so condescendingly and who she felt were her inferiors actually asked her to leave. And so she claims she doesn’t care about us at all and feels sorry for us. Meanwhile, here she is engaging in comment debates, after repeatedly claiming she has “moved on”.
The truth of the matter is, Mark has no need or obligation to speak her at all. After she has attacked, defamed, and harassed him so thoroughly, dragged his name through the mud, and contributed to endangering his safety by inciting hatred against him, why should he want to give her a second of his time? What does he owe her?
There is no negotation that can take place under those circumstances — it would be insanity.
The proper course of action here is for Barbara to finally show some humility and acknowledge that she launched a brutal, calculated, sustained, and malicious attack against an innocent man and an entire community, all in order to satisfy her hurt pride.
Enough damage has been done — it’s time for it to stop.
Justin, I think you have given a very good overview of the reality of the situation.
Justin, your summary is very comprehensive, and I think you’ve touched on a lot of key points here.
I also feel that this whole horrible chain of events stemmed from the same root source–hurt pride, and feelings of self-importance. It’s pretty clear even now, with the way that Barbara keeps coming back here and speaking to us as if we actually were brainwashed cult members, and the way all of these events revolve around the supposed scandal that happened to her…it’s like a giant soap opera starring a tragic victim.
Unfortunately, this fictitious drama she created is having very real, and serious consequences. It does need to stop; this has gone on for far too long and continues to hurt so many people.
“…the way all of these events revolve around the supposed scandal that happened to her…it’s like a giant soap opera starring a tragic victim.”
That’s so true. Especially the way she’s demanding that Mark speaks to her about her imaginary “conflict” with him. Things have gone so far that she actually seems to believe that there is a mutual conflict with Mark (to be settled through what?), when in reality it’s a very single-sided “conflict” that seems to be going on between the two sides of Barbara:
- One that accuses TGM of being a cult and a terrible organization to be involved in, vs. this amazing place where she was able to help others, etc. as advertised in her current work experience…
- One that accuses Mark of breaking up her marriage, vs. her running into a new relationship as soon as she was able to end the previous…
- One that states TGM was recruiting people and eventually coaxing them to donate money via brainwashing, vs. her organizing a pyramid-scheme group that offers group meetings where people are sold “illuminati secrets” for spiritual well-being and financial success for the small membership fee of $1000…
- One that states Belsebuub is a cult leader since the ICSA says so (false) and therefore should be considered a danger, vs. her involvement in that pyramid scheme whose leader is criticized on the ICSA website…
- …
Seems like Barbara needs to settle her conflict with herself before anything else.
Well said Jenny. I found it helpful to see those points laid out so clearly like that, illustrating what is really going on.
Thanks Justin, that’s a very logical way of breaking it down.
What you said here is interesting & very telling:
“By staying fixated on Mark and disregarding all of us as “sheep” and “cult followers,” she’s condescendingly trying to undermine the very people who actually asked her to leave when her behaviour became too destructive and intolerable to bear.”
Barbara continually makes statements such as these ones:
“I will repeat what I said, that if this group wants a peaceful resolution then its leader is free to contact me.”
“But I’ll repeat again, that Mark is free to contact me by email to discuss these matters and talk through this conflict. It’s up to him if he wants a resolution or not.”
“So in answer to your question, there is nothing else that would make me stop, other than to talk through matters with Mark. He leads you all, he influences everything you do and say here, whether direct or indirect, and he maintains the same group atmosphere that has harmed so many people.”
She seems to continually push that line of logic – like everyone is inferior to Mark and she will not bother addressing us (despite repeatedly and uncontrollably addressing us), and apparently everyone is inferior to her as well since she feels entitled to speak to him after everything she has done to him, as if that makes her and Mark equals in any way.
Yes Justin, looking at everything that has been put forth by different witnesses, you’ve given an excellent summary of the situation.
The reality of the the situation and the motivations behind Barbara’s MOG smear campaign are shining through more and more.
The proper course of action here is for Barbara to finally show some humility and acknowledge that she launched a brutal, calculated, sustained, and malicious attack against an innocent man and an entire community, all in order to satisfy her hurt pride.
Enough damage has been done — it’s time for it to stop.
Well said Justin. I hope that she considers ending her smear campaign and taking down her hate site.
I concur with everything you said there Justin – thanks for putting all that out there so clearly.
Thanks for your insights Justin, very well said. I would like to thank you and everyone else as well for your comments. It has been really helpful to read your observations on this matter which I feel is at the heart of why Barbara launched her smear campaign.
I would just like to comment further on this non-existent “conflict” with Mark that Barbara referred to in her above comment.
There is no conflict with Mark as I see it. There is just the ongoing attacks on Mark and this community instigated by Barbara. Mark has not done anything to Barbara despite all her public attacks, and this community is just defending itself against Barbara’s campaign of hatred and deceit.
Barbara’s approach of creating problems out of nothing to create a conflict through which she can ASSERT HERSELF OVER OTHERS, was a destructive tendency that became apparent when she was still in the Gnostic Movement, and this led to her being asked to leave.
Just like with her smear campaign, Barbara didn’t want to act alone when she sought power over others in the Gnostic Movement, and tried to hide behind others. She very deliberately tried to rally those of us on the same international administrative team as her. She would frequently try to convince us terrible problems existed in order to use the admin team to assert power. She said it was our responsibility to do what she said in order to “fix” the problems, and to “stop” the members who she judged as wrong.
Who were those members she judged? As I saw it, it was anyone who she might have perceived as being closer to or more trusted by Mark than she was, or who were perhaps respected by other members more than she was. Those members included people on another team helping Mark with his website, and Edith. She would always invoke Mark to justify herself, saying, “Mark teaches ‘X’ but such and such person/people is doing ‘Y’”… she was trying to persuade us by claiming that by siding with her, we would be siding with Mark and the Gnostic teachings. As I’ve said before, she had a strange fixation toward Mark, as if she wanted to be seen as the best Gnostic practitioner or something (like Justin described) and wanted to protect her status.
It seemed to me she became so competitive that she was jealous or resentful toward anyone she perceived as a threat her status. She was frequently trying to convince us to send bossy emails to other members. Sometimes it was just about trivial things, where she tried to pressure us to issue directives to others where we didn’t feel it was our place to do so. She also tried to make us send a very dictatorial email to Edith. And she told me that a team was needed to act together to “stop” the other members she judged as wrong. Her plans were always explained under the pretext of creating “order” and “clarity”. These were the mild terms she used to mask her authoritarianism, just like how she plays innocent to justify her vindictive smear campaign.
I observed that it seemed impossible for her to accept different points of view, and she looked down on people in an obviously condescending and hostile way if they disagreed with her, and would exert massive psychological pressure on us. I felt bullied and belittled with the way she treated me, and was honestly hurt and shocked at how resentful and hostile she seemed toward me and others when we would not go along with her plans or if we expressed a different perspective. Basically she would make out anyone who stood in the way of her crusade was a fanatic and not spiritual etc, and that we were letting down Mark and his teachings by disagreeing with her, which was obviously an illusion.
But coming back to her current claims about a “conflict” with Mark, I think it’s just the same pattern happening all over again. In the Gnostic Movement she created problems out of nothing so that she could be the one to “solve” them and assert authority over others in the process. Now she’s doing the same thing again with her claims to “resolve” a conflict she created out of nothing. She created this smear campaign out of nothing – there was no conflict and never needed to be one. But she sustains this conflict as a way to exert control over us still, just like she tried to do before she was asked to leave The Gnostic Movement. This seems like a recurring manipulative tactic she employs to force her agenda when things do not go her way.
When I reflect on how she appeared to try so hard to present herself as the “best” student, and build up a reputation around that, it becomes clear to me why she had an unhealthy fixation toward Mark. If she tried to be seen by others as the “best” most responsible and dutiful practitioner of his teachings, her identity was linked to him in a way. She worked on lots of tasks and worked very hard, even not taking breaks or resting even when people kept trying to encourage her to rest. Was this all part of her competitive efforts to build the external appearance as the “best” Gnostic?
When she was asked to leave and not allowed back, no doubt she felt bitter and resentful toward us, because she had worked hard in the Movement seemingly to put herself above others, but had nothing to show for it in the end. And this must have led to extreme resentment toward Mark because the illusory identity she had built up as an ideal student of his teachings was shattered, and that must have been a terrible blow.
Some people learn from situations like this, and looking at it from another perspective, being asked to leave gave her an opportunity to get rid of the horrible pride that had taken her way off track into an approach of competitiveness and ambition, far away from what the Gnostic work was about, and her approach was actually harming herself and others. But in her case it seems the pride was just too much to swallow. So, rather than take responsibility for what she did to herself and others in the organisation, and to deflect from her own personal mistakes, she tried to blame someone else, to put herself above us again. Mark and The Gnostic Movement became the scapegoats.
Barbara recently wrote on her hate site that she used to think and act like us. She also claims she takes full responsibility for how she acted as a former member. Clearly neither of these statements is true as I see it. I think that with her destructive approach she actually didn’t think behave or act like us at all in the end, and she still does not take responsibility for her own actions and mistakes and tries to put the blame on Mark in an apparent attempt to save face.
I think the time has come for Barbara to take responsibility for her own actions and choices, and to stop blaming Mark for her own mistakes.
Thanks Matthew you’ve brought forward some very important points and have put matters very clearly.
I also remember Barbara’s bad behaviour, and at the time many Members were very concerned. Her behaviour progressively got worse and worse.
At the time I hoped that she would change but sadly she got worse. Now I’ve come to understand that she has chosen to be this person and therefore I’m very thankful that people are speaking out in defense of Belsebuub and the teachings.
Well said Matthew:
“I think the time has come for Barbara to take responsibility for her own actions and choices, and to stop blaming Mark for her own mistakes.”
I totally agree with your points Matthew.
Also, well put.
“There is no conflict with Mark as I see it. There is just the ongoing attacks on Mark and this community instigated by Barbara. Mark has not done anything to Barbara despite all her public attacks, and this community is just defending itself against Barbara’s campaign of hatred and deceit.”
Matthew, I had never thought of it that way, but I feel you are completely accurate in describing Barbara’s behaviour of fabricating conflict in order to assert her moral superiority and boost her importance.
I remember a similar situation where she attempted to subtly force me to send an email to people who she felt were giving “thumbs up” to comments on a YouTube video inappropriately and demonstrating fanaticism.
Seriously — what business is it of hers how people give thumbs up to a YouTube comment? Who was she to judge? How ridiculous!
And yet she created this big crisis out of it, as though urgent action was needed. In the course of the email discussion she essentially made me feel as though I would be irresponsible and condoning fanaticism if I did not “correct” the behaviour in others.
Then as now, she used apparently sound logic, “Gnostic” principles, and appeals to pride and fear in order to force others to do things in the way she wished.
Then as a result, she was able to not only get her way among members but also to feel as though she was a source of moral and spiritual authority in the Movement by pointing out egos and correcting behaviour in other people.
Naturally her fixation with Mark makes a lot of sense in this context, since she viewed him as the ultimate source of spiritual authority and used/abused his teachings to justify her own agenda.
It’s amazing how clear this seems in retrospect, although things were quite difficult and confusing at the time. I guess I couldn’t believe that this person who I knew and respected for such a long time, and who seemed so dedicated, could really be acting in such a way. So I accepted on good faith a lot of what she was saying and doing and assumed that I could be in error.
Also regarding her desire to appear to be a model Gnostic practitioner and to appear very responsible, etc. — I think these emails from the refutation of volunteering allegations (http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/refuting-the-untrue-allegations-about-volunteering-further-evidence/) are quite telling:
“In May 2008 she asks in an email, “I am still unsure if I should go [on a trip abroad] because it would mean another week that I am not helping much…,” and that “I don’t like to go for a break when there are high priority things like this to be done with not many people to help.” And the response was that if she was up to it, the trip abroad would be nice to take, but that she should use it as a break and relax there.
Again in May 2008 she writes about the same trip abroad saying, “I had said that I would be prepared to stay back so I could help with this, but was told to still go and to use it as a break. If this has changed now…please let me know,” and continues, “ I am willing to do whatever is required so just let me know if you need me to be involved next week.” And the response was a thanks for the offer of help, but that if she was ok it was thought better she take a break abroad, and not to worry about not having internet access.”
One the one hand, you could easily interpret this as someone simply being caring and responsible about their duties. And yet, when viewed in the context of all of her behaviour and just from the flavour of these emails, it is clear how much she cared about the perceptions of others and about not losing any status or influence within the organization.
It was clearly her own pride that drove her to overwork.
When I think of this, and then also try to conceptualize the dozens of articles she has written blaming Mark for being abused and overworked — and THEN try conceptualize her using these same activities on her CV to burnish her professional credentials…it just seems too absurd to bear.
It appears that Barbara views facts as malleable things that can be used in different ways in different circumstances. She is willing to spin events in whichever way happens to be convenient for her at the time.
Unfortunately, the only consistent thing over the last 10 years is that she is still trying to burnish her self-image.
Matthew, my experience corroborates with what you have explained here about Barbara’s behaviour amongst members and in the international board meetings we were in.
I remember some tense moments where we were discussing the agenda for an all members meeting which Barbara wanted to have to address “issues” within the Movement. Issues that really only existed in Barbara and Vernon’s minds.
We resisted certain proposed agenda items. From my perspective I just did not want to be so disrespectful to Edith and the other members, I just did not agree that there was any “issue”.
But Barbara did not give respect to viewpoints differing to hers and she kept trying to push her agenda by trying to make us feel that we lacked understanding and were just being fearful and that we were making a mistake by not agreeing with her agenda. She basically was trying to manipulate us to get her way. She was trying to use the board to carry out her own agenda.
I was new to being a member and new to being on a board and I just could not believe the bullying way she was behaving. This was not the Barbara I knew in Sydney who taught me about gnosis and helped train me to become a teacher. My head was spinning, I was shocked and rattled by her bullying. She made me start to doubt my position but I still just could not agree, it was fundamentally wrong to me what was being proposed.
It is very interesting and telling those parallels you have drawn Matthew, in Barbara’s behaviour within The Gnostic Movement and then in carrying out her revengeful hurt pride smear campaign.
Barbara’s pride, ambition and tendency to assert herself over others has really been revealed through all the witness accounts. Matthew, your summary and experiences have really narrowed down what looks to be the motivation behind Barbara’s MOG smear campaign.
I thank you for further sharing your experiences and the summary of the situation and everyone that has shared their experiences and have given testimony. It’s so wrong what has happened to Belsebuub, these teachings, and to this community. I feel it’s really important to continue to share our side of the story and experiences to further help the truth shine through and to defend Belsebuub, these invaluable teachings, and this spiritual community.
This was very insightful to read, Matthew, and a little bit scary. During Barbara’s time within TGM, it sounds like disturbing psychological tendencies were growing within her… and I guess they have now taken over her completely.
If there’s anything Barbara’s hateful attacks have taught me, it is how dangerous pride really is. It’s no laughing matter… it can really make someone unable to see reality, unable to let go, and capable of great harm.
I hope Barbara can find enough humility to end this hatred and take responsibility for here actions so that all of us (her included) can be happy and free.
Matthew,
Thanks very much for the things you’ve brought up. I especially appreciate the candor with which you explain what you saw happening, as you worked with Barbara and saw firsthand the tactics she was using.
Your comments, and all of the evidence that countless other witnesses have brought up, have caused me to reflect about the mechanisms of how people control others. There are seemingly a lot of elements you’ve brought up in Barbara’s case:
-creating fabricated conflict to assert oneself over others
-rallying others around the problem, asking them to take sides
-bullying, pressuring, judging those who disagreed
-positioning oneself as the mediator able to ‘solve’ the problems
In reflecting about how Barbara attempts to exert this control, it seems valuable to consider how various leaders and political interests have grappled with controlling large groups of people in the past. One primary way it seems is through deceit.
Barbara has been caught lying a lot; there are countless witness testimonies to prove this.
I believe Barbara’s decision to leave all of her defamatory, hate-inciting material up and active on her blog is a very calculated one. It seems part of her continued attempts at asserting control.
The whole thing is so wrong…thankfully we have this place and everyone who has come forward to speak up about the truth, because these lies have to be exposed.
“It appears that Barbara views facts as malleable things that can be used in different ways in different circumstances. She is willing to spin events in whichever way happens to be convenient for her at the time.” – Completely true, Justin!
When looking into pride, I know it’s often mentioned and I’ve seen personally time and time again that it prevents us from seeing reality. It’s perhaps not a surprise that the truth gets twisted when someone like Barbara is involved.
Yes that pride can be such a dominating force we can completely consumed by it and it can dictate everything we do without us even realising .
Thanks for spelling it out a little more clearly Matthew it makes sense now. I also remember this similar attitude by Barbara when she was running the Sydney centre; rather than getting other teachers to help she used to take on massive amounts of work and use to work very hard and I used to wonder why, as there was enough teachers there to take on some of the tasks and ease her work load.
But I guess just that drive to be the best student was evident even back then.
Thanks for that insight Matthew, you explain very clearly how her approach was for her tasks within the organisation. That would be normally the approach some people take within their jobs in normal companies where they want to be competitive and escalate to higher levels of responsibility and maybe better salaries, and it’s very common, people are trained in universities to work this way. But although I never worked directly with Barbara in any project, my experience working as a volunteer in different teams within TGM was very different, I personally was surprised, because the approach to the tasks allocated and the team environment was never about to seeing who was “the best”, but about observing yourself while you’re doing such tasks, and understand the reason behind doing them, which is simply to help.
I can understand it came clear to others that her behaviour was not in line with this. And yes is really sad she can’t let go, continue with her life, and move on. How different her life would be without spending all this time fabricating false scenarios and publishing them on the Internet. She could be using all her time, talents and experience in something so much more productive for herself. Plus it would be fantastic that she could leave this community in peace.
“Just like with her smear campaign, Barbara didn’t want to act alone when she sought power over others in the Gnostic Movement, and tried to hide behind others. She very deliberately tried to rally those of us on the same international administrative team as her. She would frequently try to convince us terrible problems existed in order to use the admin team to assert power. She said it was our responsibility to do what she said in order to “fix” the problems, and to “stop” the members who she judged as wrong.”
I was on this international team and remember too well the intense psychological pressure that Barbara and her husband would put us all under; it was horrendous, and at one point I even considered resigning from being a member simply to get away from having to deal with their bullying as it was causing me so much stress and anxiety. I would dread the frequent meetings with them and try to say as little as possible or show any disagreement to try my best to avoid aggravating them, but they just got worse. In the end, I had to speak up when they started to issue negative and insulting demands to other members under the pretext that it was coming from the entire team, as while I tolerated their bullying personally, I could not allow them to use me as a shield to bully and demean others.
I was extremely confused about Barbara’s behaviour, because everyone else has such positive things to say about her, that I could not reconcile the idea of who she was with the person who I was dealing with. At first, I thought maybe I had done something wrong, maybe I had upset her in some way, or maybe she didn’t think I was good enough to be on the team compared to her and her husband who had been around for a long time, but as time went on, I realised that it wasn’t just me she was treating like this, but others on the team too. Still, I never said anything about it and kept hoping that if I continued to be friendly and caring, she would stop disliking me. I wish I could say that she warmed to me and I got to know her as a friend like many other people did, but unfortunately, right until the end, she seemed to have a strong dislike for me and my husband. Regardless, even now, and perhaps especially now, I still care for Barbara and would like to see her happy, successful, and using her talents in a positive way that does not cause suffering and harm to Mark Pritchard and his community.
Barbara has spent long enough of her life focusing on her dislike for Mark Pritchard, TGM, and its members, and she has even admitted it herself. Forgetting this community, Barbara would benefit so much if she were to move on, once and for all, and stop blaming Mark Pritchard. She wouldn’t be doing us any favours by letting go of this hatred and moving on to something new, but she would be doing herself a huge disservice if she continued to hurt others, as really when we hurt others we hurt ourselves.
So sorry to hear that Sabah, but thank you for sticking to your beliefs and what you knew to be right, and therefore being a part of the forces which ultimately helped put a stop to it.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that Barbara has so much to gain by actually moving on. It would take a big step for her to remove her site and campaign at this stage, but the implications of leaving it up and carrying on with things as they are are far too serious to ignore.
It was definitely a very tough time we went through in those meetings with Barbara that David, Sabah and I were part of. Looking back, I can see how at times I was duped into self-doubt by Barbara and Vernon’s manipulative tactics. They really tried to make you feel small and make it out like you were in error and treading on dangerous ground and you were “part of the problem” they wanted to “solve” if you didn’t side with them in their attempts to assert themselves over others. Many times I also just felt like getting out of that team to get away from their antagonism, but thankfully we got through it and eventually we and other members asked Barbara and Vernon to leave.
We really needed to do that, or their destructive behaviour would have spread as they sought to assert themselves in the organisation. Other members were noticing Barbara’s increasingly forceful approach too, as Justin points out, so the behaviour had already started to spread wider. Barbara and her husband later even acknowledged, in their own words, that their behavior at this time was negative and controlling. Unfortunately this behavioral tendency didn’t change and only grew worse with time, as Barbara’s smear campaign shows.
Looking back on the situation, I think Dara describes very well the divisive and manipulative tactics Barbara employed:
-creating fabricated conflict to assert oneself over others
-rallying others around the problem, asking them to take sides
-bullying, pressuring, judging those who disagreed
-positioning oneself as the mediator able to ‘solve’ the problems
As I see it, Barbara would not be the first person in the world to use such tactics to construct a crisis in order to push an agenda, assert oneself over others and assume a position of power in the process. I also hope she can find the courage and integrity to bring this to an end, which would be in everyone’s best interest. But if not, as Jordan pointed out, then the implications of her maintaining her hate sites are too serious for us to ignore.
Sabah,
Thanks for taking the time to explain very clearly what your experience was like working with Barbara. It sounds like it was a very difficult situation to deal with, especially given that you had these two conflicting perceptions of Barbara–from what others had said about her in the past, to what you were dealing with personally. It’s really good that you all hung in there and spoke up when the bullying and pressure tactics started to spread to others, because it led to the truth finally coming out.
Sabah, I am sorry to hear of your experience working with Barbara and the way that she made you feel during that time. It must have been really confusing, and it is great that you took a stand when she began to use the other members as a shield to harm others.
“She wouldn’t be doing us any favours by letting go of this hatred and moving on to something new, but she would be doing herself a huge disservice if she continued to hurt others, as really when we hurt others we hurt ourselves.” Very well said, Sabah.
I was thinking about this the other day and how much of a positive impact she could have made in the world during the past several years. Considering all of the people who are suffering in this world, and the fact that she had the capacity to do so much for humanity is difficult to make sense of. Why choose to waste time on such a hate-filled activity?
Sabah, thanks for sharing your experience.
It is really unfortunate to hear how severe and damaging Barbara’s behaviour was during this time. I caught glimpses of it myself but I can just imagine it was a horrible experience participating in those regular meetings with Barbara and Vernon.
It is such a shame in retrospect how much negativity and unpleasantness they brought into the organization, which should have been (and in many other ways was) a place of collaboration, brotherhood, good will, and mutual support and respect amongst people wishing to help others.
Sounds like such an awful environment due to Barbara and Vernon’s behavior. I can understand from what you’ve expressed why you would want to resign to get away from that. I’m glad you didn’t though, because it seems like you and all involved really made the right choice in speaking up about the negative and controlling behavior that was going on. It’s truly unfortunate that they then took the same types of behavior and turned it against Belsebuub, his teachings and this community.
I definitely agree with you Gabrielle. There are far better things to do with ones time than spread negativity and hatred. Hopefully Barbara can see that and take the important steps to move on.
Matthew and Sabah
I just wanted to express my support and sympathy for what you have both gone through.
Recently I have been the subject of bullying; it is a terrible thing to go through.
In my case, like yours, the perpetrator bullied me because I did not agree with their views. The person became angry, then condemned my views, and finally launched an all out attack directly upon me.
I was initially flabbergasted, then questioned myself, what have I done to contribute to this, should I not have expressed my view, for the sake of peace should I remain silent etc. Eventually I decided it was not me and I have chosen to disassociate from that person as much as possible.
I am very grateful that you both stood firm in the face of Barbara’s intimidation, and have continued to work to spread the Belsebuub’s teachings of peace and love.
It is also heartwarming to see the support provided by this community to you and others who have been victimized by Barbara and Vernon. What is amazing is this compassion has also been extended to Barbara and Vernon themselves, as in Sabah’s words “Regardless, even now, and perhaps especially now, I still care for Barbara and would like to see her happy, successful, and using her talents in a positive way that does not cause suffering and harm to Mark Pritchard and his community.”
What better example can one find to show that this community, the spiritual teachings we share, and Mark Pritchard himself are the diametric opposite of what the hate site would have people believe.
Thank you Matthew, Sabah, David and all for sharing your experiences related to the harsh treatment of Barbara and Vernon against you and the bullying and intimidation they used to enforce their viewpoints on you while in the Gnostic Movement.
Your comments have helped very much to unroot and expose the reality of who these characters were and where all the problems began.
It is a real sadness that these were the circumstances you had to face, where all of you could have genuinely collaborated to help others instead of Barbara or Vernon needing to assert their status or control.
In a lighter scale, during my time in London, it was hard to imagine anything wrong Vernon or Barbara were doing or that their intensions were twisted or that they were overdoing their authority. They were members after all, and people who I had respected very much and so their words and job requests were rarely questioned. At the same time, it was unheard of that anyone with a different idea to either of them, would have a fair chance to share their point of view. Rarely did someone overide their views, from disagreements in renovation, centre design to long working hours to finish the centre, Barbara and Vernon always had the uperscale and got what they wanted without much discussion to hear other people’s points of view, despite the fact that the London Centre was uneccessarily finished in a huge rush, with very costly renovations and decorations all the while asking volunteers for extra money. Worst of all, the centre was built in a very rundown part of London which resulted in very few new students later wanting to come down to the area, with Vernon or Barbara never listening to the input of the locals and current vollunteers to hear them out. In one occasion where someone disagreed in doing a renovation task, Barbara and Vernon created such a shock saying how dare they not do something their teacher is asking of them. This to me created a very awkward moment for the student.
In fact the feeling behind many discussions or questions had responses like ”ask Vernon”, or ”Barbara will decide”, there was never really open diologues but rather authoritative responses that didn’t really seem healthy in practicing gnosis together for the benefit of others or eachother. It was hard to see through all of this at the time, because so much was going on and developing in London, the volunteers who came to London came to help and wanted to get involved in what was going on, and it was understood that Barbara and Vernon had authority, but to me they misused it and everyone’s recent shared experiences on Gnostic Freedom, revealing their controlling habits from previous occasions, does bring many things to light. Thank you to all for being part of letting the true accounts be told.
Yeah, nice one Cliff. I agree wholeheartedly, and the compassion shown by Sabah, and really everyone here is what its all about. Yes Barbara and Vernon have done terrible things to Belsebuub, the community and to individuals like Angela and Edith.
But we know that deep down there is the good within them, and we all want them to just be at peace, and move on with their lives, and let us move on with ours.
We know what it was that caused them to do what they did, and how they let the negativity and hatred build within themselves. But that is what we have to point out. That is the root cause of all of this campaign. Hurt Pride and Negativity. It was never about the real truth and evidence that they had as they claimed.
I feel that we are not however, despised of them in the true essence of who they are, because we are all part of something larger. We know that there is a constant battle going on within each one of us, for the good and the bad. I’m sure some of us know the feeling of letting the bad win, and the remorse that it brings when we see truly, how blinded we were when that psychological state has us enveloped, and we couldn’t see any other way to act.
The spirit is always there, waiting for us to find it. I hope for both Barbara and Vernon they can remember what it was like when they were connected to that, and can correct their actions in the future. Please, remove your site(s), and allow yourselves to live your lives in peace.
Thanks for sharing your insights about the situation, Justin.
The link you shared with the post she made shortly after being asked to leave is very interesting.
I found this point, in particular, makes a lot of sense:
“By staying fixated on Mark and disregarding all of us as “sheep” and “cult followers,” she’s condescendingly trying to undermine the very people who actually asked her to leave when her behaviour became too destructive and intolerable to bear.”
Well said Matthew and thank you for pointing it all out so clearly.
Well said Matt, I think you have made some excellent points into the motives of Barbara’s hatful actions. By attacking Mark & spreading outrageous stories she has people’s attention again. She is somehow ‘special’ again. But really it sounds as if she is acting the same as when she was a teacher in the movement – driven only by her pride and need to be powerful and ‘special’.
Barbara this doesn’t help anyone, including yourself. Being vengeful and seeking attention for pride is far from the actions of anything spiritual. I think you know this.
I urge you to seek peace, give up your hatred and stop harming people.
See the bigger picture. Your life is passing, will you waste more time being consumed by this darkness? Strength to you Barbara.
What hypocrisy.
The MOG site is registered under your husband’s company Channeldoubler. It was first registered under the Gnostic Movement of Greece where your husband falsely and illegally registered himself as Director.
Evidently you and your husband instigated this whole project to throw revenge against the Gnostic Movement with first contacting hundreds of students by email with countless defamatory and false information. You and your husband have instigated the most preposterous lies on the MOG site to rally people against TGM and Mark through your phony charades.
You have actively instigated since day 1, sending out mass emails with false information, posting among the highest amount of articles on MOG, invading on the Belsebuub Forums, posting derogatory and false comments on Goodreads, throwing false testimonies on Sigma TV with Elita’s questionable journalism etc…
What 20 people? Its only you posting, on your site and here. Your supporters are all gone, don’t worry about them.
Gosh, I am surprised at you. What has gotten in to you. At this moment I cannot be more thankful for all these testimonies on Gnostic Freedom that expose you for people that don’t realise your manipulative tyranny.
What are these negotiation tactics by the way, now you are saying you ”might” remove. What game are you playing? What interest do you have in seriously resolving anything? I don’t see it frankly. You flaunt your speaches that you have given everything to negotiate all under your own crafty spell. All you are interested in is this war to victimise yourself.
Your lies are being exposed, your cruelty, drama and deceit is all being exposed.
Oh Barbara come on! As others have said and I’m sure every person who will reply to you will say – you and your husband started this whole smear campaign, and the MOG site, and your husband’s company hosts the MOG hate site. There is no way you can wipe your hands clean of responsibility and act like you can’t do anything about taking down the MOG hate site.
“I, like others here, would like to see this hate site which is recklessly inciting hatred to come down. But if you, Vernon and Jake do not want the MOG hate site (plus the other blog in Belsebuub’s name, and MOG associated twitter and YouTube accounts etc) to come down, then I am quite willing to detail how you three are very much behind it and responsible.”
I don’t buy it either, N-I-G. I think their involvement has already been proven quite clearly. The ties couldn’t be any closer. It would be very silly of Barbara to maintain that she has no connections to MovementsOfGnostics, when the evidence is there in plain sight for all to see.
Barbara, nobody here is fooled by your boasts of the *many* people posting on MoG. From what people say, it’s known that you’ve canvassed far and wide to get as many people as you can on your team at the onset of the smear campaign, and I’m sure many with a chip on their shoulder were more than happy to pitch in their little bits. Seems like you’re the only one left now anyhow though. I am sure a few more can be stirred up to get briefly involved along the way, but plainly nobody is there to defend you. Even your husband left you alone to fend for yourself. I think these games tend to get tiresome on people after a while, especially once the fun of letting all the emotional baggage off wears off. Now it’s just you, your multiple usernames, and a handful of cheerleaders left. How long are you going to carry on speaking to yourself? Especially in light of all the contradictions that have been exposed and that will continue to be exposed about your story here?
I find it strange that you still maintain this phony *conflict resolution* thing with Mark. I think enough has been said on the matter here already. The way I see it, you’re just throwing this around because you know there’s no way you’ll be contacted by him now after all you’ve done to him – it’s like your “get out of jail card” to keep going with your sad victim tale… Well, I for one feel like it’s a shameful tactic. Your part in initiating this smear campaign has hurt all of us in this community – you should feel accountable for that and resolve your conflict with all of us too. Putting an emphasis on one person doesn’t help to heal the damage caused to all of us through your actions.
“I think these games tend to get tiresome on people after a while, especially once the fun of letting all the emotional baggage off wears off. Now it’s just you, your multiple usernames, and a handful of cheerleaders left.”
Well said, Jenny. It does seem like this is the case.
I do not know how any of the key people there trust each other anyway. They went from being highly supportive of The Gnostic Movement and Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub) one day, to the extreme opposite end of the other spectrum, after being asked to leave.
If a friend of mine responded so viciously to others when the friend failed to get what they wanted from an association or relationship, that would concern me.
Really, it would be a huge red flag. What if they did the same to me?
In general, outside of legal bindings, no person or organization has to maintain a relationship or association with another. The Gnostic Movement asking them to leave is not a rare event; businesses let employees go, associations may deny memberships, etc…
Similarly, the associations and relationships behind MovementofGnostics are not guaranteed to stay the same (and more likely to change over time). Personally, I would not want to be linked into that. In the back of my mind, I would be wondering what would happen if I wanted to move on or change…I certainly wouldn’t want to be subjected to the type of reactions I have witnessed on MovementofGnostics.
“In general, outside of legal bindings, no person or organization has to maintain a relationship or association with another. The Gnostic Movement asking them to leave is not a rare event; businesses let employees go, associations may deny memberships, etc…”
I think this is an interesting point, Gabrielle.
It’s true, all of this angst and conflict was brought out by an event that is very commonplace in everyday life. The fact that this situation has escalated to such a degree is a big red flag…that something was very wrong underneath to begin with. Sustaining a smear campaign for years against an organization that terminated a relationship is not a normal way to deal with that event.
Yes indeed… It does seems quite excessive to say the least..
“It’s true, all of this angst and conflict was brought out by an event that is very commonplace in everyday life. The fact that this situation has escalated to such a degree is a big red flag…that something was very wrong underneath to begin with. Sustaining a smear campaign for years against an organization that terminated a relationship is not a normal way to deal with that event.”
What a delusional disclaimer you have made, not only are you the main instigator and the main driver of the hate campaign, but you started it all on MOG with your ‘woeful story’. Trying to wash your hands of it all with the blood of others? Don’t you see that this will always be a stain upon you. Now you are trying to blame your fellow attackers too, trying to make then take the full blame for the wrath that you have unleashed and driven every step of the way.
They better wake up to their senses and see the problem they are facing. They think that because they are attacking for you that they are safe from your wrath, but we can see already that you are trying to cut a quick get away for yourself and leave them holding the unlawful and hateful perpetrations that you have created. Not only that, but you have already perpetrated them in hate crimes to follow. So much for your close friendships, you’re already trying to dig them in!
Whilst you use them to feed your grab for power, you drag them into hate crimes.
How would you know what their actions would be in the future, if you were not dictating this hate campaign? How would you know they wouldn’t take down the MOG site, if it wasn’t controlled by you? This all comes from you Barbara, but we can see that you in your desperate attempts to protect your image, you have and will destroy the images of others. If you have already done this to people once close to you, you will do it again to those that are close to you now.
I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes for anything.
Indeed Layla and Gabrielle – not sure if her few fellow attackers are realizing what she is doing… That she is trying to place the blame of incitement of hatred that has led to vandalism, and death threats onto them, and attempt to remove all her responsibilities (as if…!) from what took place over the last 2 years and still goes on..
She is NO innocent bystander like she is pretending, and like Gabrielle pointed out, in this comment very well: http://www.gnosticfreedom.com/witness-accounts/on-mark-and-ediths-character-from-someone-who-has-known-them-since-1997/#comment-1889
Barbara you say that this can be brought into a peaceful resolution if YOUR demands are met.. Not anyone’s else.
So I guess it’s not really about anyone else but you…
So thank you for clarifying, in case it was not understood by all, that it has ALWAYS been about you.. And that these extra stories from the people you recruited were only fuel to your revenge. That indeed per your own admission, you have claimed that you could bring it to an end..
“…not sure if her few fellow attackers are realizing what she is doing… That she is trying to place the blame of incitement of hatred that has led to vandalism, and death threats onto them, and attempt to remove all her responsibilities (as if…!) from what took place over the last 2 years and still goes on..”
That is an important point, Geraldine. I really don’t think they understand what they’ve been roped into.
I hope the posters on MoG can come to see that. If there’s one thing that’s apparent from this smear campaign modus operendi and from the witness accounts on here, the way Barbara and Vernon work is by making use of those who help them and discarding those who are “useless”. You might just be next.
Look at the example of “Jake” – Vernon spoke so poorly of Jake while they were within TGM, and kept warning others to keep Jake away from the teacher’s course, etc., and then as soon as they were asked to leave, Jake suddenly became one of the most involved supporters on MoG and Vernon had no issues working with him then.
Similarly, in the short time Barbara thought she had a chance of being re-admitted to TGM she went on to post very supportive comments in favour of TGM and Mark on another website where they were being criticized. After engaging in arguments trying to convince the person posting there that they were wrong, suddenly after she decided to spearhead this smear campaign she and that person were working together behind the scenes to bring TGM and Belsebuub down. These are just two examples, but there’s a very clear pattern…
To me her actions seem to tell a pretty obvious story – if she had no use for all of you on MoG, you would not have been contacted. But you see, she needs you so that she can carry on this facade of *many* people involved so that she doesn’t have to legally shoulder the blame (though that’s an incorrect assumption). In reality, it’s all about her clearing her name from this “stain” she perceives was created when she was asked to leave TGM. The whole cult accusation and what ensued is just a means to an end for her – though it is clearly far from the truth.
“To me her actions seem to tell a pretty obvious story – if she had no use for all of you on MoG, you would not have been contacted. But you see, she needs you so that she can carry on this facade of *many* people involved so that she doesn’t have to legally shoulder the blame (though that’s an incorrect assumption).”
Yes, I agree with you on this, Jenny. Barbara’s actions are clearly about using people and events for what they’re worth to her–basically, what they do to push forward her agenda. So of course she would try and gather as many people to join her cause on her hate site as possible, because she was hoping for a crowd to hide behind, to make her accusations seem valid, and as you mentioned, to help shoulder the blame of any legal repercussions.
It’s strange though, all these actions have put the most minuscule details of her personal life up for display on the internet…which does not seem like the best way to clean any kind of ‘stain’ she may have perceived when she left TGM. Certainly placing yourself at the center of a scandalous smear campaign that witnesses have had to defend against, and having all of the lies and hypocrisy exposed is far worse, isn’t it?
I agree with you there Dara,
”Certainly placing yourself at the center of a scandalous smear campaign that witnesses have had to defend against, and having all of the lies and hypocrisy exposed is far worse, isn’t it?”
How utterly bizarre it is that Barbara has voluntarily placed herself at the centre of scandal – now of which all is being disproven – how does it make her feel? She really has done this to herself and has no one else to blame for the awkward and distressing drama she’s been piecing together while setting up to destroy an innocent man and his community.
“I hope the posters on MoG can come to see that. If there’s one thing that’s apparent from this smear campaign modus operendi and from the witness accounts on here, the way Barbara and Vernon work is by making use of those who help them and discarding those who are “useless”. You might just be next.’
Jenny, it looks like the posters on the hate site are beginning to see this as there numbers seem to be dropping. It must be a very lonely place to be.
Thanks Jordan for the revealing information. It shows that we cannot believe anything Barbara says.
Barbara, you can’t be serious with this statement and the innuendo behind it “…if I were able to resolve the conflict with Mark…” in my opinion this is an extremely conceited comment.
Mark doesn’t owe you anything nor does he need to settle things with you, if you reflect morally on this, you will see, that your statement is that of a spoiled child and the conflicts you are having are not with Mark, but with yourself!
I have to agree with others here as well, this campaign started with you, Vernon and the 3 or 4 of Vernon’s followers.
Well said Steeve
“Barbara, you can’t be serious with this statement and the innuendo behind it “…if I were able to resolve the conflict with Mark…” in my opinion this is an extremely conceited comment.
Mark doesn’t owe you anything nor does he need to settle things with you, if you reflect morally on this, you will see, that your statement is that of a spoiled child and the conflicts you are having are not with Mark, but with yourself! “
Barbara, have you realized that your are addressing and referring to people by their real names, when we continue to use your pseudo name, even though we all know your real name. We, however don’t have a problem with you using our names, because we know what we stand for and are not ashamed of what we have to say. Where you, Vernon and others cowardly hide behind your aliases, how conveniently empowering that must be for you, a real advantage.
Reflecting on that, you should be humbled and grateful for the respect we all continue to give you, while you on the other hand, go ruthlessly straight to the attack at every opportunity you get and invent stories or distort facts to support your claims.
Have you ‘Barbara’, sat down and asked yourself what it is you are expecting to achieve from all this and what it is that drives you. Are you not powerful enough knowing, that all of this could be brought to an end, by you. Is this the type of power you are purposely after; it must be, because you continue to spend hours of your day sitting there, at your computer, defending your cause, what ever that is. When is it going to end, is this how you have decided to spend your life?
Lastly; after all you have done, please know that I have no hatred for you, but I am disappointed and saddened that we all have endure this and it is mostly because of you and your entourage. I have only read a fraction of what you have had to say and I must say, having been acquainted with you, I am honestly shocked, I would never have imagined you are capable of this, I hope you don’t take pride in that.
“Have you ‘Barbara’, sat down and asked yourself what it is you are expecting to achieve from all this and what it is that drives you. Are you not powerful enough knowing, that all of this could be brought to an end, by you. ”
I’ve often wondered this as well Bianca. I don’t buy the whole, “I want to protect people from Belsebuub” nonsense. It makes absolutely no sense. Since Barbara seems to know so much about psychology, I wonder if she ever takes a moment to reflect on her own.
I also wonder how long the couple of people who are left, waving around the hate campaign flag, would really stick to their stories if Barbara was to come clean, tell the truth, retract and remove what she has said and done. My guess is not very long at all, since a web of lies unravels pretty fast when its main threads are taken away.
I hope and pray that Barbara will do the right thing and help to end this madness, so all can move on.
another day, another strange post by Barbara
everyone has made some really good points which illustrate this
it seems like Barbara still wants to be a part of our community one way or the other…
well if that MOG site was to come down it would be a step in the right direction towards reconciliation
I for one am prepared to forgive you Barbara, you’ve just gotten lost on some negative tangent
and we are all in danger of that whilst we still have negative inner states
Thankyou witness U
Your account of your experiences with Mark and Edith corroborates exactly with my experiences of them.
I have found them to be the most genuine caring and loving people I have ever met. Their sole focus in life has been the spreading of the spiritual teachings. They have no hidden agenda, no secret manifesto, they simply want to provide the opportunity for people to awaken. They give so much of themselves to others, and ask for nothing in return.
They are so warm and caring, humble and loving, sincere and open. All anyone needs do to validate this is read one of Marks articles or listen to one of his talks. When I do this I am overwhelmed by a sense of peace and love, which feels as if it is a direct emendation from Belsebuub himself.
One thing that stands out for me is despite all that has occurred, Belsebuub is unfazed, he remains focused on his mission. It leaves me in awe of his strength and resilience.
Once again, thank you for sharing your observations.
Cliff
Well put Cliff, you’ve described Mark and Edith very well.
Both Mark and Edith are very decent people. To me it would be wrong not to speak out in their defense, especially since their safety is at risk.
Well said Cliff
“They (Belsebuub and Edith) are so warm and caring, humble and loving, sincere and open. All anyone needs do to validate this is read one of Marks articles or listen to one of his talks. When I do this I am overwhelmed by a sense of peace and love, which feels as if it is a direct emendation from Belsebuub himself.”
I could also add that when I read read one of Belsebuub articles or listen to one of his talks and videos, my awareness increases.
I wholeheartedly thank him!
Yes I agree Cliff, even now listening to one of Mark’s talks or picking up one of the books and reading a few pages is so inspiring and gives me such a boost. Thanks Mark look forward to the day if and when the talks can resume.
I wholeheartedly agree Cliff. I’ve always admired the selfless, committed nature Mark & Edith deliver the teachings – from direct personal experience. There is nothing egotistical whatsoever. It is given out of genuine love for humanity – to help others to feel peace.
To read or listen to a talk given can boost ones internal state, help understand oneself & learn to change. I am SO grateful for this, a gift I hope many can discover.
I feel as if I have only ever received from Mark & never truly given – so I hope I can offer my support and testify to his & Edith’s truly admirable nature in their defence, against serious defamation & lies.
To the ones (most likely one) who is spreading lies and hatred, be warned:
‘Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”
Buddha
Reading these accounts on so many people’s first hand experiences with working and dealing with Barbara has been so beneficial and invaluable to me. Thank you so much for taking the time to describe in detail the (often painful) circumstances of events leading to Barbara’s removal from The Gnostic Movement due to her erratic, manipulative behavior. It is a real pity to read how her pride had steadily progressed into the stages of deterioration that is evident to all except her. This fiasco would have most likely been avoided if she had the strength to recognize her shortcomings, examine herself internally, ask for help and dealt with it before it had completely taken control of her thoughts and actions, turning her against the very teachings she had once embraced.
Personally, if there is a lesson to be learned from all of this, it would be on the urgency of practicing these teachings. Each time I read a posting here at the Gnostic Freedom website, it reminds me of how important it is to make every effort possible to practice these teachings, to practice self-awareness, to constantly remove the egos and make every effort to awaken the consciousness. It also reminds of the importance of protecting and defending these teachings as well so that it could be brought forth to others so that they can have the same opportunity to change internally as well.
Barbara, I never want to end up like you. I can only hope that one day you will wake up and realize your mistakes and take the appropriate actions to rectify them.
Patricia, you have written with such clarity and sincerity. I can relate to what you say and feel like you that all this senseless, needless harm could have been avoided if those involved had just simply chosen to be honest with themselves and their own shortcomings. After all, don’t we all have them? As a great teacher once said, ‘these teachings are not for the perfect, they are for everyday people who have faults’. But you have to acknowledge these faults in order to progress and learn, otherwise, what is there to change and do away with if we believe ourselves to be perfect?
Thank you for reminding us about what we all deep inside know, we are nothing if we do not practice these teachings and fight to awaken consciousness.
Icould not areee with you more Patricia. It is so unfortunate to see people once so dedicated to practicing the teachings, turn against them and get consumed by their own negativity and pride.
“Personally, if there is a lesson to be learned from all of this, it would be on the urgency of practicing these teachings. Each time I read a posting here at the Gnostic Freedom website, it reminds me of how important it is to make every effort possible to practice these teachings, to practice self-awareness, to constantly remove the egos and make every effort to awaken the consciousness.” I think that these words really outline the importance of actually doing the work from moment to moment so we do not fall into the same traps.
Barbara,
I just got done reading all of these posts, including yours.
It has been stated several times that you are a very talented individual. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to do something loving, beautiful, or generous with your time and talents?
Bringing your site down would not only benefit the members of our community, but it would benefit you as well. It would make you look like a reasonable person rather than just a mean-spirited person. It would get you out of a tangled web of stories (at least on the web) and it would free up your time, talent, & energy to do something useful with your life… Maybe do some good in the world.
The way that you have gone about “resolving a conflict” was way out of line. As a result of your words and actions you have created a situation in which it is unlikely that Belsebuub will want to talk to you. (I wouldn’t want to talk to you if you had taken my private matters out of context and blasted them onto the internet creating a distortion of reality, instilling fear and hatred in others)
The only conflict left to resolve is your website spreading hate, but now you have a chance to bring it to an end. It would be wonderful if you resolve the conflict & move on with your life.
Regards,
Michelle